Grade 'Holding Cell'
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This episode had good moments, but overall it didn't do much for me. The scene at the end with Mac talking to the girlfriend was a bit much. The actress was good, but I felt like the scene went on too long. I also felt like they wasted Hector - I did like him telling Mac the truth toward the end, but there was a lot of potential for the character that just...didn't happen.
I love Jo, Danny and Flack teaming up is always great, and I enjoyed Adam (although I do feel like sometimes they take something good and extend it juuuuust a bit too far). On the other end of the spectrum, Lindsay only had a few scenes - and several of them irked me, namely the scene where she's speaking Spanish and talking about teaching Lucy (although mentions of The Messer Family that are shoehorned into episodes usually irk me, so it might be a personal thing). Some of the writing just felt off to me this week. :wtf:
I love Jo, Danny and Flack teaming up is always great, and I enjoyed Adam (although I do feel like sometimes they take something good and extend it juuuuust a bit too far). On the other end of the spectrum, Lindsay only had a few scenes - and several of them irked me, namely the scene where she's speaking Spanish and talking about teaching Lucy (although mentions of The Messer Family that are shoehorned into episodes usually irk me, so it might be a personal thing). Some of the writing just felt off to me this week. :wtf:
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PerfectAnomaly
Resident Smart Ass
This episode did not impress me at all. I gave it an F.
First off, the gratuitous club scenes with all the half naked pretty people is one of the things I've always hated about NY. Then we've got Mac telling the vic's uncle that he would in no way compromise an investigation if it involved someone he cared about. :guffaw: Seriously, Mac. Did you not chase Stella to Greece, barge in and take over a case where they had clear jurisdiction and then allow Stella to get rid of evidence??? You didn't? Then I must've imagined it. Then the person Flack and Danny want to talk to not only runs - must every friggin person they encounter run and have to be taken down? - but he takes a hostage as well? Add in the crappy acting of the bouncer and Leo along with the most stupid explanation for suicide and not trying to get someone help who is obviously depressed and threatening his own life ever and you've got one big crap fest of an episode.
Adam's adorableness and a couple of good character moments from the team couldn't save this one.
First off, the gratuitous club scenes with all the half naked pretty people is one of the things I've always hated about NY. Then we've got Mac telling the vic's uncle that he would in no way compromise an investigation if it involved someone he cared about. :guffaw: Seriously, Mac. Did you not chase Stella to Greece, barge in and take over a case where they had clear jurisdiction and then allow Stella to get rid of evidence??? You didn't? Then I must've imagined it. Then the person Flack and Danny want to talk to not only runs - must every friggin person they encounter run and have to be taken down? - but he takes a hostage as well? Add in the crappy acting of the bouncer and Leo along with the most stupid explanation for suicide and not trying to get someone help who is obviously depressed and threatening his own life ever and you've got one big crap fest of an episode.
Adam's adorableness and a couple of good character moments from the team couldn't save this one.
talkingtocactus
Coroner
^ haha yeah i was a bit like "really, mac?? really????" at that. the gratuitous porno club scenes annoy me too. it's just unnecessary.
hmm ok then. i was a tad underwhelmed by most of it tbh. i did like the angle of how they had to work with the foreign agency, but i felt it was overkill to make the foreign agent family too. i think for most law enforcement working with a foreign agency would be quite enough, thank you, without needing to overegg the pudding. also miguel's mother seemed far too young.
yeah so for most of it i thought it just trundled along, then it got to the end part where the girlfriend was talking to mac. that got my attention a lot more. i pretty much agreed with everything she was saying. for most of the ep i wasn't sure why if it was suicide he'd go to such lengths to cover it but i guess with a mother like that i could understand it. but she was damn right, suicide is something that's far too stigmatised, depression and other mental illnesses are just that, illnesses, no different from, like she said, cancer or whatever, and they can be fatal. the fact that the sufferer is pulling the metaphorical (and sometimes literal) trigger isn't the point, i believe that it's not their trigger finger that kills them, but the illness making that happen. people need to start realising that and stop putting the shame on it. obviously there are still legal issues but those are frankly archaic. mac's line about her trying to save him made me roll my eyes too, that's pretty much reflex. even the most determined suicider goes through a point where their body tries to save them, it's reflex, not volition, and it's the same for other people, you may agree full well that if they want to take their life they should, but there's still a human reflex to want to save someone. it doesn't mean it's the be all and end all. also for a nation as ostensibly libertarian as the us, i don't get why suicide is still illegal. it's someone taking an action over their own body. the government has zero right to get involved.
one more thing that really bothered me. clonazepam is NOT an antidepressant. it is sometimes used in depression when more traditional drugs are ineffective but its classification and label use is as an anticonvulsant benzodiazepine which isn't the same thing at all. its primary uses are for epilepsy, anxiety and sometimes acute mania and/or psychosis. i know this because i've been on it (and believe me when you have a severe mental illness a lot of the treatment is trial and error of different drug combos. after 7-10 years of trial and error you get to know each drug inside out, you know what it does, how it works, what its label and off label uses are, what other drugs it reacts with badly, etc etc, you get to be pretty expert at these things!). it really annoys me because csiny have done this before (in i think s2 or 3 mac referred to lithium as an antidepressant and i wanted to reach into the tv and shake him for being such a fool, because it really really isn't) - if this wasn't such a science related show, it would bother me less, but they like to say how accurate they are on the science and then they make stupid mistakes like that. this explains why mental illness is still such a massive stigma generally - if tv shows that try to show empathy towards these things can't even get the basic medication info right, what hope do we have? argh!
ok, rant over. i'm giving it, er, a B i think, nice of them to tackle the subject at all, shame it was so cackhanded.
oh, edit, just remembered: i liked the stuff about drug testing, in quite a few european countries drug testing is legal, and often approved by police, and i think it's probably the best way. america's war on drugs is hardly one they're winning is it? maybe it's time for a different tactic? same goes in the uk which is naturally far less progressive than most of western europe. actually overall this was quite an interesting ep in terms of how far a person should have control over their own body and what goes into it, or whether it stays alive. i thought both the themes (drug testing and suicide) were hot topics for that and if you were a philosophy student (as i used to be!) you might find that quite interesting so it was nice to see it at least tackled, if not exactly questioned or thoroughly examined.
hmm ok then. i was a tad underwhelmed by most of it tbh. i did like the angle of how they had to work with the foreign agency, but i felt it was overkill to make the foreign agent family too. i think for most law enforcement working with a foreign agency would be quite enough, thank you, without needing to overegg the pudding. also miguel's mother seemed far too young.
yeah so for most of it i thought it just trundled along, then it got to the end part where the girlfriend was talking to mac. that got my attention a lot more. i pretty much agreed with everything she was saying. for most of the ep i wasn't sure why if it was suicide he'd go to such lengths to cover it but i guess with a mother like that i could understand it. but she was damn right, suicide is something that's far too stigmatised, depression and other mental illnesses are just that, illnesses, no different from, like she said, cancer or whatever, and they can be fatal. the fact that the sufferer is pulling the metaphorical (and sometimes literal) trigger isn't the point, i believe that it's not their trigger finger that kills them, but the illness making that happen. people need to start realising that and stop putting the shame on it. obviously there are still legal issues but those are frankly archaic. mac's line about her trying to save him made me roll my eyes too, that's pretty much reflex. even the most determined suicider goes through a point where their body tries to save them, it's reflex, not volition, and it's the same for other people, you may agree full well that if they want to take their life they should, but there's still a human reflex to want to save someone. it doesn't mean it's the be all and end all. also for a nation as ostensibly libertarian as the us, i don't get why suicide is still illegal. it's someone taking an action over their own body. the government has zero right to get involved.
one more thing that really bothered me. clonazepam is NOT an antidepressant. it is sometimes used in depression when more traditional drugs are ineffective but its classification and label use is as an anticonvulsant benzodiazepine which isn't the same thing at all. its primary uses are for epilepsy, anxiety and sometimes acute mania and/or psychosis. i know this because i've been on it (and believe me when you have a severe mental illness a lot of the treatment is trial and error of different drug combos. after 7-10 years of trial and error you get to know each drug inside out, you know what it does, how it works, what its label and off label uses are, what other drugs it reacts with badly, etc etc, you get to be pretty expert at these things!). it really annoys me because csiny have done this before (in i think s2 or 3 mac referred to lithium as an antidepressant and i wanted to reach into the tv and shake him for being such a fool, because it really really isn't) - if this wasn't such a science related show, it would bother me less, but they like to say how accurate they are on the science and then they make stupid mistakes like that. this explains why mental illness is still such a massive stigma generally - if tv shows that try to show empathy towards these things can't even get the basic medication info right, what hope do we have? argh!
ok, rant over. i'm giving it, er, a B i think, nice of them to tackle the subject at all, shame it was so cackhanded.
oh, edit, just remembered: i liked the stuff about drug testing, in quite a few european countries drug testing is legal, and often approved by police, and i think it's probably the best way. america's war on drugs is hardly one they're winning is it? maybe it's time for a different tactic? same goes in the uk which is naturally far less progressive than most of western europe. actually overall this was quite an interesting ep in terms of how far a person should have control over their own body and what goes into it, or whether it stays alive. i thought both the themes (drug testing and suicide) were hot topics for that and if you were a philosophy student (as i used to be!) you might find that quite interesting so it was nice to see it at least tackled, if not exactly questioned or thoroughly examined.
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PerfectAnomaly
Resident Smart Ass
I've gotten to the point where no matter what Lindsay does it irks me and I agree about the stupid Messer Family banter that has no place at work. But I have to say the rest of the episode sucked so much that I didn't even notice the mess that is Lindsay and The Messer Family.
Country233
Police Officer
Hmm, interesting take on tonight's episode. I didn't mind it that much. I thought it was pretty dumb that Mac talked about the case in front of the Bacelona guy. The whole dealing with the Spaniards seemed a little different to me, but they chose a different Latino group. Seems they have done cases with much people groups.
I thought some of the scenes were a little boring, but Gary looked good so I am not complaining much.
I still don't like Sela too much but like Flack I just take them along with the rest. Oh yeah the Danny/Flack take downs are getting a little played. Kinda feeling like CSI Miami when Ryan and Walter are joined together.
Oh, I loved how silly Adam was about Mac's "error" I loved Gary's facial expressions during that scene. Good comedy relief.
Overall it was ok.
I thought some of the scenes were a little boring, but Gary looked good so I am not complaining much.
I still don't like Sela too much but like Flack I just take them along with the rest. Oh yeah the Danny/Flack take downs are getting a little played. Kinda feeling like CSI Miami when Ryan and Walter are joined together.
Oh, I loved how silly Adam was about Mac's "error" I loved Gary's facial expressions during that scene. Good comedy relief.
Overall it was ok.
Geeno
Pathologist
Yay! I've made the right decision to record this episode (and watch the two-hour Human Target) so I can FF it!!!
Boring - from very LONG club scenes, to so MANY processing scenes, and too DRAMATIC last scenes.
I also got a feeling from the start that this episode would be a snoozefest.
Thanks to the best part of the episode - the Adam scene with Mac/Jo.
My grade for this is A+! Yeah A+... for the Adam scene. But all in all A- because it's not actually horrible just boring. See you in three weeks!
Boring - from very LONG club scenes, to so MANY processing scenes, and too DRAMATIC last scenes.
I also got a feeling from the start that this episode would be a snoozefest.Thanks to the best part of the episode - the Adam scene with Mac/Jo.
My grade for this is A+! Yeah A+... for the Adam scene. But all in all A- because it's not actually horrible just boring. See you in three weeks!
talkingtocactus
Coroner
i almost forgot adam/mac/jo, that was indeed a lovely scene
I gave the ep a C-, would have been less but that cute Adam moment gave it a few extra points.
Lindsay speaking Spanish was a bit awkward, but I did like that she said she was teaching Lucy, even though Lucy is still very young. I thought Danny asking if Lindsay was teaching Lucy Spanish so the two of them could talk behind his back was kind of funny. Oh and I love Sheldon's laugh!
Was it just me, or did the Barcelona lab guy's accent keep going in and out?
Okay, so since the girlfriend changed her mind and tried to stop her bf from killing himself, does that mean that she'll only be charged with evidence tampering for staging the scene?
All in all, the episode was pretty boring, hence the C-.
Lindsay speaking Spanish was a bit awkward, but I did like that she said she was teaching Lucy, even though Lucy is still very young. I thought Danny asking if Lindsay was teaching Lucy Spanish so the two of them could talk behind his back was kind of funny. Oh and I love Sheldon's laugh!
Was it just me, or did the Barcelona lab guy's accent keep going in and out?
Okay, so since the girlfriend changed her mind and tried to stop her bf from killing himself, does that mean that she'll only be charged with evidence tampering for staging the scene?
All in all, the episode was pretty boring, hence the C-.
F
This episode did absolutely nothing for me. Aside from the two really awesome Flack/Messer scenes, I couldn't have been more bored. Definitely too much of Mac as well as of Jo. And I most certainly could have done without Hawkes as well as Lindsay. To be honest, I couldn't wait until the episode was over. This time 40 minutes felt like an eternity.
And as someone already mentioned before, I'm so tired of all that "happy-Messer-family" crap. Yeah, they are married and have a child but that doesn't mean that even at work their lives have to revolve around their kid and their marriage. What's the matter with that? Writers should be more focused on quality and the individuality of each character rather than constantly trying to convince viewers of what a great couple/family the Messer's are.
This episode did absolutely nothing for me. Aside from the two really awesome Flack/Messer scenes, I couldn't have been more bored. Definitely too much of Mac as well as of Jo. And I most certainly could have done without Hawkes as well as Lindsay. To be honest, I couldn't wait until the episode was over. This time 40 minutes felt like an eternity.
And as someone already mentioned before, I'm so tired of all that "happy-Messer-family" crap. Yeah, they are married and have a child but that doesn't mean that even at work their lives have to revolve around their kid and their marriage. What's the matter with that? Writers should be more focused on quality and the individuality of each character rather than constantly trying to convince viewers of what a great couple/family the Messer's are.
ragincajun
Prime Suspect
It bored me. I kept falling asleep.
Is anyone else confused about the title of the episode though?
PerfectAnomaly
Resident Smart Ass
Or a coworker with whom he has been FRIENDS for years.