George/Nick: Texan Charm #11

Well, I'm normally more the lurker in this thread because I never know how to say things right but I'll try to give you my two cents worth on this dicussion.

I never really saw a Father/Son-relationship between Grissom and Nick, not in the early seasons and not later. The best student line is fitting very well to Nick as it fits to George.

Let's see... in the early seasons Grissom never took Nick very seriously. Nick never did anything right and when he did, he got 'The Look' from Grissom. I've never seen anyone of the team getting this look, not Greg and not anyone. Nick had a hard time standing up for himself because when he tried he always got pushed down again. But he always tried to learn from Grissom, he even idolized him in some ways.

It changed a little in Eleven Angry Jurors where he finally stood up to Grissom and sort of found himself. Afterwards Nick was his own man but he never really stopped learning from Grissom.

In my opinion Nick saw Grissom more as a mentor than a father figure. I mean he said 'I'll never forget the things you've taught me.', right? There sure would have been said more emotional words if their relationship had been that close.

But I agree that this scene fits perfectly to George and Billy It's one of the best scenes ever.

 

I agree. There was never a father/son relationship between the two. Out of them all, Grissom always treated Nick the worse. Dismissed him many times. After Kelly Gordon O.D. Grissom said 'so it's over'. If that was anyone else he wouldn't have said that.

Let's remember the original line was 'you did a good job, Nick'. Like I said before, that is something Grissom would say to Nick, however 'student' fits too, because that is probably how Grissom always looked at Nick, his 'student'. Warrick and Greg were like 'sons' to him, not Nick.

I suppose Grissom was always hard on him, because he saw so much potential in Nick and maybe that's why, or part of why, Nick is such a great CSI now and an Assistant Supervisor.

In any case, I still stand by that was really Billy talking to George. George has always said how much he learned from Billy. Now in real life, I truly believe that Billy and George's relationship was way different than Grissom and Nick's

 

I think some of it comes from Grave Danger and the scene where Grissom and Catherine meet with Nick's parents which someone (Tarrentino, maybe?) defined as "Nick's parents and Nick's surrogate parents"

I also tend to think that there's something fairly paternalistic about Grissom's use of Nicky - it always seems to be said with an affection (or as much affection as Grissom shows, at least!) that doesn't quite match the mentor/pupil relationship.

Then there's Catherine's line about "people are building a family around you whether you like it or not" from Burden of Proof, which probably also adds to the idea of a father/son relationship.

And then there's Nick's own attitude which comes across (at times) as "the one thing I can't do is let Grissom down" which has always struck me as something a little more than just pupil/mentor.

For that matter, there's also Grissom's tendency to keep Nick on a short leash right after something major's happened/screwed up which you could view in either light. (Only time this doesn't happen is just after Nigel Crane, but seeing as the next episode HAS to take place at least a couple of weeks later [given how banged up Nick is at the end of Stalker and how UNbanged up he is in Cats Cradle!], you can probably excuse that.)

All of which is a tl;dr way of me saying I can see where it comes from and I think I at least partially subscribe to it, but I don't think that either character would ever have described their relationship that way.

 

Love the new promo pics of Nick and Catherine. Looks like his hair is a little longer.

 

I have to agree and disagree with you. First, I have to agree about Grissom and Nick more like a teacher and student then father and son. I think it's was the tabloid said that, I can't remember. Second, I disagree about Greg being a son to Grissom. Greg is not the son to Grissom, He is like Nick, he is the student to Grissom. Warrick is the son to Grissom, Grissom let Warrick get away with everything. He won't let Nick, Greg or Sara get away with everything, but he let Warrick and Catherine get away with it. Catherine is more of a mother to Nick, she is very protected of him.

 

Oh Grissom let Sara get away with everything. I see where coming from, but I still think he thinks of Greg as a son. He never treated Greg like he treated Nick.

However, Warrick was definitely like a son to Grissom.

 

You know, for posting that.

 

Nick was adorable last night! His facial expressions were priceless.

 

Nick's facial expressions were good eye candy; George did, as always, a wonderful job.

However, I'm telling you, that is something I could have cheerfully gone my whole life without knowing. Seriously. I mean, I get fetishes and whatever, but this...

I'm with Nick. "Oh" with a squishy face.

ETA: By the way, thank you, George, for not using the "p" word.

*shivers*