Re: Episode #608: 'Permanent Vacation' ***CONTAINS SPOILERS*
Pusher said:
In my opinion, when it comes to any program other than a soap opera, whenever a romance is introduced, it detracts the viewer from the concept, context and setting of the show because a romance can happen anywhere - Whereas the setting (Miami Dade Crime Lab and Miami itself) the context (Crime Scene Investigations) and the concept (to show how CSIs operate) of the show can only happen in CSI Miami and that's what CSI Miami should be all about, not, in my opinion, who fancies who, who's shagging who or who wants to shag who... and so on.
Believe me I prefer some romance, then all this drama about H. Even this to be crime tv show we need some characters development. And what better way to do this...( all is about the CSI work, right ?!) ...then bring two team members together and bingo... no need to think out ridiculous NY past or long lost son story...
Yes, I understand that you prefer romance, pusher.
In all honesty, I think we may have a different concept of what constitutes “Character Development”. Character development to me is exactly what is happening when it comes down to especially the Horatio character, the Delko character and the Ryan character. For me, the least character development taking place at the moment is the Calleigh character.
The only thing that has really changed with that character is her getting involved with Jake and that’s not character development, that’s just her getting involved with Jake. In my opinion, the Calleigh character for me hasn’t progressed at all of late, because most of the concentration has been about her and Jake and the rest we already knew about her. In fact, if anything, I think there may have been a slight regression of the character. Hopefully though, next week we’ll see some improvement when it comes to Calleigh.
Pusher said:
Intentional or not, one thing I enjoyed about S5 was Horatio pulling away from his team a little bit - that the PTBs may have been bold enough to show him suffering from the loss of three people (Speed, Marisol and Ray) who were very important to him
Errr... did we watch the same tv show ?!
I don`t remeber this season H to show some emotions... he only pose, put on/off shades or said silly one liners. How after this I can think that this guy suffer ?! And this revenge mission in Rio can`t change my mind at all. Btw why S 1-3 H don`t kill his bro killer ?!
Yes, I would say we watched the same show – at least,
I know I was watching S5 of CSI Miami.
All in all, a character doesn’t have to show any form of emotion, such as bursting into tears, to show the viewer that they are suffering. All you have to do is remember what has happened, watch what the character is doing and draw your own conclusions. That’s what I do anyway. Whereas I would say from how you described the Horatio character, you’re more of someone who has to be shown clearly what is going on, such as someone bursting into tears, to know that they are upset? I could be wrong though.
The reason Horatio didn’t kill the one who had offed his Brother during S1-3 is because Horatio didn’t know how his brother had died or, more importantly, who had killed him. Then when he did find the one he thought had killed his brother, Bob Keaton, he had him incarcerated for life without parole. Then, through Bob Keaton, who was actually an undercover agent, Horatio discovered that his brother was alive. This is why Horatio never killed the one he thought had murdered his brother.
I have to say that I find it a bit bemusing that you never got all of this when you watched because it was very clear to me what was happening.
Pusher said:
What’s slightly disappointing me at the moment is that at the end of S6ep6, I thought Horatio's words to Ryan would have signalled the beginning of Horatio returning to his team.
As I remeber most of the guys in this forum was wonder why H said this words to Rayan. They don`t make any sense and as a whole this moment was so out of the blue. Well S 4-6 H have very corny lines so I move forward. This is Miami after all and we don`t have to take it seriously, rigth?! No surprise at all that some guys don`t get Radio Times humour reviews.
I think in answer to this, pusher, I will say that there are many varying reasons as to why people watch and enjoy/get frustrated by a show like CSI Miami. But just because someone places a lot of credence on a character/show, it doesn’t mean that a dry wit and a heavy dose of sarcasm is beyond all of them.
There are times when some of the RT comments have made me laugh, but there have been other times when they have left me scratching my head and wondering what the devil they had been talking about. Still, your mention of the RT comments and how people do and do not perceive them, what that has to do with
this discussion is a bit beyond me to be honest.
Pusher said:The characters have undeniably changed, coz TGTB forgot what they write in the begining of this tv show. The bigest mess become exactly coz someone don`t know how to make continuation. And coz of this a lot fans are disappoint. (mainly from H). Just this tv show is not the same... In S6 TGTB make little connection with the past (re Speed) or bring back Rebbeca or Yelina and as a whole this epis have very good fans reviews. So don`t u think that this is the right formula for success ?!
This would be a matter of opinion, in all honesty. I haven’t seen any glaring errors of continuity at all, apart from the couple that I mentioned earlier in this week’s episode. I think, from what I’ve read on here, the biggest disappointment is a lack of overall teamwork, friendship and the humour that was evident in the earlier seasons of CSI Miami, and I am inclined to agree with them.
However, having said that, I am enjoying the concentration of the Horatio character this season, especially the introduction of the Kyle character. And no, I’m not missing Yelina or Ray Junior at all, (I was never particularly fond of them anyay). However, I wouldn’t mind a re-introduction of Madison and Suzie, because I do miss them, but it wouldn’t send me into a tizzy if we never see them again.
