'CSI' Season Opener Loses Battle Against 'Grey's Anatomy'

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it is probably a combination of the GSR ending, which pissed a lot of people off(me included...i can't stomach it) as well as the absence of Grissom in the second half last season...the eps he wasn't in or only in for a couple of mins were not that great, and a lot of people will stop watching the show when he leaves for good.
 
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I definitely agree with all the above mentioned reasons why CSI got beaten by Grey's. I know that for the couple of weeks leading up to the premieres the Grey's cast was all over the media circuit, while all I really saw for CSI was the same ad on CBS.

I don't watch Grey's so I can't judge on the quality of the show, but I do think that the CSI premiere had a stellar ending. Quality-wise, it should attract more viewers for next week, but the thing is, if people were all watching Grey's how will they know about it? Also, the ads for the CSI premiere focused a lot on the Cirque plot, which ended up being rather trivial. I think if it hyped the Catherine story and the replica house more, there would have been more interest.
 
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I'm one of the people who kind of gave up on CSI-I still watch it as more of a tradition-after Daddy's Little Girl. I was so angry that the TPTB took the direction that they did. They had a major angst line to work with and they finished it with a 'it's over'.

Then they start off the season with more Catherine drama-whom I like but felt got too much of the pie of that show-and when I read that I sighed because all I can think of well here we go again.

I think CSI hit it's peak with Grave Danger and down it went. Happens to every show.
 
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I was never a fan of Grey's Anatomy. Only CSI--- However, the season opener could have been made into two separate dramas insstead of being disconnected.
 
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I really think that the big thing that killed CSI this past week was that it's the more seasoned show, and CBS was stupid enough to give it two spin offs before it's fifth season. That means that writing staff and creativity are spread out, rather than focused on a single show.

Grey's Anatomy is in its, what, third season? It's still fresh, and new, and it ran a harder campaign than CSI did. CBS was really lackluster in their efforts to promote their show. I thought some of their online advertisements were cute, but one (or a coporation) must acknowledge that sometimes to make money (or ratings) one must spend some money. Buy some advertising. Get some "exclusives."

I watched the season opener. I was not captivated until the last ten minutes. I agree that the Cirque de Soleil case was dull. The other case seemed like filler. There were some nice moments, but besides some long musical montages, very little science was featured.

However, I think that the second half of the opener is going to do better because the intrigue is there, and maybe that was CBS's plan for this two parter all along... I'm not saying it was necessarily the brightest thing to do, but ending on a cliffhanger this week allowed them to feel out what the defecit was, and then to proceed into next week with everyone waiting with baited breath.

Most people I've talked to who watched CSI this week are so unnerved by the "To Be Continued." I Love it. I think that there are some smart moves being made here (trying to steer away from spoilers), and I'm not out of the loop, yet.

I was ready to stop watching CSI last year, until Roshamama. That was the episode that revitalized my interest, because my favourite writer, Goldfinger, made it work beautifully. She showcased her immense talent, and every day I'm glad we haven't lost her to another show.

I know we're all a bit let down by this past week's show. I'm of the opinion that it was really slow, and a bore until those last ten minutes. Hopefully, there'll be a bit of a buzz going into next week.

I think we need to let the data accumulate a little longer to see how it measures up. Yes, CSI took a hit, but that was expected. They made some mistakes, mostly on the marketing end. We'll see how it goes next week...
 
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But wasn't this season's opener "forecasted" at the end of last season??
 
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One thing that really made me laugh was a promo for CSI I saw about a week before its premiere. It had all kind of light-hearted moments with a happy-go-lucky song playing in the background. Grey's Anatomy had that exact promo running all summer. In fact, the two songs are eerily similar. That's when I knew CSI was in trouble, when CBS had to steal ABC's promo technique to get some viewers. Other than that, however, I didn't see ONE promo for either CSI, Miami, or New York. Not one.

I knew this would happen, and not because of poor plot choices or whatever, but because CSI has been on for 7 years and as Top said, it's basically the same thing in every single episode. I did tune into the premiere a couple of times, and it was just the same song and dance again: the CSIs process the scene while some techno lounge song plays in the background, two CSIs are at the lab while a tech explains something to them, or Grissom is in the field, discovering a weird crime scene. How many times have we seen that? How many times have they explained to us the same procedures and whatnot? After 7 years, you sort of get tired of seeing the same thing over and over again. I think a lot of people tuned into CSI originally to learn about crime scene investigation. At this point, what else is there to learn? I think the novelty's worn off.

The fact that CSI chooses not to focus on the characters is another element that probably made it suffer. For a lot of people, there is no difference between CSI and say, CSI: New York. It's pretty much the same thing, with different actors. A lot of people I know couldn't tell you the name of the characters if their lives depended on it. So to them, watching CSI and watching NY is the same thing. Miami has done something creative, in that it's made a name for itself with really bad writing and cheesy character driven storylines. It's bad, really, really bad, but bad attracts viewers. CSI and New York, to me they're kinda clones. They're good shows, better written, but they don't take a lot of risks. You got the aging, reclusive, workaholic in both shows, with his sassy, sparkly, and sexy partner. In fact, that type of character is in pretty much every procedural. It's even on Cold Case, only with a vagina. On the other hand, you're not gonna find another McDreamy easily. It's the little things that make GA stand out.

You might say that going with GSR was risky, but I don't see it that way. I think they took the coward's way out. They knew there was an audience for it, but they also knew there was an audience against it. So at the last minute they revealed they've been having a secret relationship, to make the GSR supporters happy, but to please the anti-GSR people, they decide not to show it. I'm almost positive we'll never see Grissom and Sara kiss. They know it might alienate some viewers. Fuck it, if you're gonna do something, do it. Don't be a badass while hiding behind a curtain. Go for it, explore it, if it doesn't work out end it and recover. It would be more realistic for me to see Grissom and Sara attempt a relationship and fail. That'a million times more interesting than, "hey, Grissom/Sara fans, good news! Grissom and Sara hook up and they live happily ever after! And good news, Grissom/Sara haters, you won't have to see it!" Not only is it manipulative, it's just bad storytelling. This pussyfooting around makes the show, and the writers, look really weak.

The writing has suffered a lot. I caught this while switching channels.

[Warrick asks Hodges for something]
Hodges: What's the magic word?
Warrick: Shut up, Hodges.

Holy crap, I feel embarrassed for the person who wrote that incredibly lame dialogue. It's so bad, so, SO bad. In fact, that joke is so old I'm pretty sure I first heard it on Family Matters. I can't believe that in this day and age, CSI is using 80s humor. Meanwhile, Grey's has a great team of writers who really know how to write humor.

CSI needs to stop taking itself too seriously, start focusing on the characters lives a little more (30 million tuned into the premiere last season to see the aftermath of Nick's case. It was never given a satisfactory continuation), and some more interesting ways to tell their stories, because every time the techno music starts while Warrick stands in front of a centrifuge, I change the channel, find something more interesting and forget all about CSI. Unforunately, times change and you have to be open minded enough to try and evolve. If you don't, you stay behind.
 
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Sorry for double posting..but I have more to say.

The same people who were int he 60 per cent of the viewers who were happy with the Sara/Grissom finale are probably the same people who want more character storylines.

I think the lack of continuity and character balance has been the achilles heel of CSI. When a show came along that succeeds very well in that department, CSI got trumped big time.

Over the years the only continuity we've seen is with Grissom and Catherine and with all due respect to the fans of those characters that got very old, very fast. We've got other characters whose storylines were simply dropped for Catherine angst.

What about Nick's ordeal? Warrick's marriage? What happened there?
 
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I think the lack of continuity came as a huge disappointment to the fans. For instance, I waited all season 6 for something substantive about Warrick's marriage but I got nothing. And the gem that could have been, Nick's ordeal, got the worst possible ending ever. The only continuity I was happy about last season was Lady Heather's return, because at least the episode turned out to be a very good one.

I agree about what Top said, it had the feel of "here we go again..." cause we've seen it way too much. I've seen GA, and well the script isn't that original either, but at least it made me want to tune in next week because it's certain that they're going to provide me with what I'm waiting for-- continuity with the character plotlines. As opposed to CSI, I'm not sure whether they'd even show us how Nick would react when he learns about Cath. And that kind of thing is what I would want to see but they messed up so much in the past that it's highly possible that I'm not going to get it.

It also didn't help that the season finale was so lame.
 
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They just can't please everyone all the time, can they? Its ironic that some of the comments above center on relationships, when there were so many complaints when they focused on personal stuff. IMO Grey's Anatomy is popular with the high school/college crowd becasue of it's "daytime soap at night" status - its all about who's banging who in the supply closet, and focuses little on anything else. CSI will boil down to merely a battle of the age groups, and I predict that because CBS is all about ratings in the 18-49 age group and not much else, will cave and move it to 8PM. They should really move it to 10:00 - the other two CSIs are at 10PM... but CBS is afraid of ER too.
 
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midnight, your analysis is spot on. CSI is actually going to have to change to keep up with the times. Not going home with the characters simply isn't going to work anymore. People have been watching these characters for six years now--it's time to really get a chance to get to know them. And no, that doesn't mean they all have to hook up with each other. Just show us more of what goes on in their lives.

cofi, you're right--we have no clue if we'll actually see Nick's reaction to what happened to Catherine or not. On any other show, we know he'd be grappling with major guilt issues, but on this one? It could easily get swept under the rug. And that's annoying. I agree as well that the aftermath of Nick's ordeal and Warrick's marriage were great story lines that never went anywhere.

And for heaven's sake, please stop exploiting the women on the shows! Stop turning each and every one of them into victims for ratings. :rolleyes:
 
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The other spin offs have nothing to do with csi's downfall. NY is not like vegas at all, they are focusing on the characters way more than vegas ever did. If people don't like watching 2 similar shows, than they will only watch one. Vegas's character storylines have always been bad, even before miami was created, and i could see that it would backfire, because they would run out of ideas and the characters would become dull.

But having character storylines doesn't mean having incest-like relationships, yuk.
 
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Truth be told, I'm a Grey's Anatomy fan, and by downloading the episode of ITunes (yes,it's legal so I can mention it) I thought the episode was rather dull, compared to CSI.

But midnight is right, CSIs dialogue is becoming lame. Maybe it's because they're running out of storylines? I mean, we've had episodes that have had the same teaser lines, which to me, is kind of lame. :rollseyes:
 
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i think a lot of people (myself included) really like cliff hanger endings to a season, its pretty much a guarentee everyone will come back next year. csi has had to oppertunity to do cliffhangers but for whatever reason the writers choose not too. could you imagine what it would be like if we had to wait til september to find out if brass lived or if nick got out of the box? that would be insane.
the way theyve choosen to set themselves up im sure most fans are thinking 'if i miss an episode, its no big deal', very little carries over through the season. while ive never seen greys anatomy, i understand theres quite the love triangle or something which constantly keeps viewers tuning in to see what happens, if they miss an episode theyll miss something big.
i know csi is supposed to be an episodic (is that a word? you know what i mean) show, where story lines dont last the whole season. but they should at least throw in a few. ive said this before, but its been 7 years, theyve made us care so much about the characters we tune in every week to see so give us something more than just solving cases. we know theres going to be a crime, we know its going to get solved (usually), we know there might be some weird twist, surprise us with something we dont know is coming!
 
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You're completely right, maple and that's exactly how I feel.

If I miss an episode of CSI, I just shrug it off because it's unlikely that it'll have any effect on the next episode I see. If I miss an episode of Grey's then Im completely lost the next time, even with the "Previously on Grey's Anatomy" montages.

I don't think that shows can survive when the last 10 minutes are the most exciting - which was the case with CSI.

Top41 said:
And for heaven's sake, please stop exploiting the women on the shows! Stop turning each and every one of them into victims for ratings. :rolleyes:

Thank you.

Yes, it makes for an intense episode and the possibility for future episodes concerning the events but it's just too much to have most of the lead women victimized. Catherine attacked at a bar, Stella attacked by her psycho BF, Aiden murdered by a suspect .. Honestly, it just too much sometimes.
 
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