CSI has alot in store for all....oh please!

[Adzix]

that was really well said, thanks I agree with everything.

thanks Coco.

I disagree. Turn, Turn, Turn was an amazing episode along with Deep Fried and Minty Fresh and If I Had A Hammer.

that's 3 episodes out of 13 (i'm counting the second part of the season since Grissom left) which is hardly what we are used to. the continuous complaints of "too much Langston" overshadowed any positive comments about the episodes, at least that was my impression. you can't argue that the majority of fans that spoke up were not happy. correct me if i'm wrong but you were one of them.

in the end though, this is all subjective. i am confident in my opinion that H2 of S9 was terrible with a few exceptions, but everyone is entitled to their own.

 

[myfuturecsi]

that's 3 episodes out of 13 (i'm counting the second part of the season since Grissom left) which is hardly what we are used to. the continuous complaints of "too much Langston" overshadowed any positive comments about the episodes, at least that was my impression. you can't argue that the majority of fans that spoke up were not happy. correct me if i'm wrong but you were one of them.

Boy you really like to try and take people on, don't you?

I complained yes, but I also voiced my like of these shows when they aired. I complained when they were good and I complained when there was too much Langston. But I loved Deep Fried because of some great Nick and Mandy scenes. I liked Turn, Turn, Turn because it was the first episode dedicated to Nick Stokes in almost four years. I liked If I Had A Hammer because of the great twist in the end where the hammer was placed.

I didn't like Mascara because I thought it was too soon to devote an entire episode to a new character on the 200th anniversary of the show. I didn't like the finale for that reason.

second part of season 9 was one of the worst they had, true, but i think we, as an audience, became a bit spoiled. the show was so good for so many years that we just don't tolerate failure. *shrugs*

You made a blanket statement there. You said the entire second part of the season was the worst one they had and I said I don't agree.

I said I disagreed because there were many shows that were great in spite of the problems the show had in the second season. Turn, Turn, Turn was well received by many fans including critics and bloggers who while complaining about the season mentioned some of the better episodes such as Turn, Turn, Turn including our very own Kristine Huntley. It's about balance. Your argument was all or nothing.

It's not all black and white they way I see it. I've complained about the bad and I complimented the good. I've been around long enough to know how to balance a good compliment with a bad one.

That is why I disagreed with you. Yes it was different after Grissom left, but there are lots of us who have other favourite characters and they aren't necessarily Sara Side or Gil Grissom.

 

[Adzix]

I complained yes, but I also voiced my like of these shows when they aired. I complained when they were good and I complained when there was too much Langston. But I loved Deep Fried because of some great Nick and Mandy scenes. I liked Turn, Turn, Turn because it was the first episode dedicated to Nick Stokes in almost four years. I liked If I Had A Hammer because of the great twist in the end where the hammer was placed.

and that's ok. nobody said it wasn't. *shrugs*

You made a blanket statement there. You said the entire second part of the season was the worst one they had without taking a good look and saying, "Well maybe there was one or two that were good."

yes, it was a blanket statement and i don't think there is anything wrong with making it. i was reviewing the second part of the season as a whole, and evaluated the average performance, not each episode individually.

besides, i have clarified myself to a point where you can't miss what exactly i had in mind:

i am confident in my opinion that H2 of S9 was terrible with a few exceptions, but everyone is entitled to their own.

 

[myfuturecsi]

I complained yes, but I also voiced my like of these shows when they aired. I complained when they were good and I complained when there was too much Langston. But I loved Deep Fried because of some great Nick and Mandy scenes. I liked Turn, Turn, Turn because it was the first episode dedicated to Nick Stokes in almost four years. I liked If I Had A Hammer because of the great twist in the end where the hammer was placed.

and that's ok. nobody said it wasn't. *shrugs*

You made a blanket statement there. You said the entire second part of the season was the worst one they had without taking a good look and saying, "Well maybe there was one or two that were good."

yes, it was a blanket statement and i don't think there is anything wrong with making it. i was reviewing the second part of the season as a whole, and evaluated the average performance, not each episode individually.

besides, i have clarified myself to a point where you can't miss what exactly i had in mind:

i am confident in my opinion that H2 of S9 was terrible with a few exceptions, but everyone is entitled to their own.

Nobody said it wasn't *shrugs*, but you challenged me personally and that' where I jumped in and countered you *shrugs* *shrugs* *shrugs* *shrugs*.

Such a bland expression, really.

 

[Adzix]

^ lmao. no comment.

the topic of this thread also got me thinking whether LF is going to sign the contract for S11. as far as i know he only signed on to S10. i mean, the thing is that if LF does not get a good grip of Langston and the writers don't do enough of a good job this season to warm him up to the audience and make him interesting, is such a big actor as him going to continue trying or will he realize his "status" is sliding and ask to get written off. which could mean the end of a show.

so it looks like this season might be absolutely crucial to determining whether CSI will keep on going for many more seasons, or is it the end.

 

[myfuturecsi]

the topic of this thread also got me thinking whether LF is going to sign the contract for S11. as far as i know he only signed on to S10. i mean, the thing is that if LF does not get a good grip of Langston and the writers don't do enough of a good job this season to warm him up to the audience and make him interesting, is such a big actor as him going to continue trying or will he realize his "status" is sliding and ask to get written off. which could mean the end of a show.

so it looks like this season might be absolutely crucial to determining whether CSI will keep on going for many more seasons, or is it the end.

*shrugs* no comment

 

[Colonel Worf]

The 15 million people that watch every week determine if the show stays on the air. If Fishburne leaves, someone will just take his place. The show survived after Grissom, and it will survive with even more cast changes if necessary.

 

[GregNickRyanFan]

^ Agreed. I don't think that it would or even could mean the end of the show is LF left. It would make no sense to me that if the audience wasn't warming up well to a character and that character was written off that the ratings would slip (that would tend to make me believe that the ratings were rigged in the first place and never real lol). Seems to be it would be quite the opposite.

I am of the opinion that the show didn't particularly need a "replacement" for Grissom in the first place. I personally think that Cath and Nick could have headed the show just fine. We've already got Nick studying to be the new bug guy. :lol:

I could however see tptb giving up on the show if LF left... because they didn't trust their remaining cast members to run it alone by themselves in the first place, so they felt the need to bring in a huge star. I am still of the opinion that they should have given the remaining cast at least a month's worth of episodes to see if they could pull it off before bringing in someone new... but, what's done is done. :lol:

 

[Adzix]

hm you think so? maybe it's true but that would mean it's the procedural part of it that was so successful and it doesn't matter all that much who solves the crimes.

i believe that if the character chemistry doesn't work, so won't the ratings. idk, but i feel like CSI would have a big problem getting anybody good to sign for S11 to fill in LF's shoes. i guess all is left for us is wait.

 

[PraetorCorvinus]

I agree that if LF were to leave, no one would really care. On the flip side, however, if another of the original cast (mainly Cath, Nick, Greg or Brass) were to leave, that might signal the death of the show.

While LF is a talented actor, I'm not sure if he's finding his place here. Although I am starting to warm up to him. The latest episodes that have hinted at his dark side

Spoiler: Langston's evil is showing

(the angel of death speech to the stalker in "Family Affair" and the whole serial killer talk in "Ghost Town")

gives him more depth then before.

I started watching the show mainly because of the procedural parts. I liked the science and the whodunnit style mysteries. But you do have to have people that you enjoy solve these cases. I feel they need to go back to what they had in the first six seasons; step back from the personal lives and give us the cases. Only show us snippets of the characters personal lives to keep us guessing. Bait us.

But that's just me.

 

[Smokey]

Let's get back on track here, guys, and move away from the personal sniping. This thread was questionable when it started, but we left it open hoping there could be some discussion without arguing. Let's continue to debate/discuss but be respectful toward each other. Thanks!

 

[GregNickRyanFan]

i feel like CSI would have a big problem getting anybody good to sign for S11 to fill in LF's shoes.

They wouldn't need anyone else though (IMO). Marg and George (with everyone else) are completely capable of holding the show up on their own... this is why Nickisodes have gotten such high ratings and Marg has always been the leading lady.

I agree that if LF were to leave, no one would really care. On the flip side, however, if another of the original cast (mainly Cath, Nick, Greg or Brass) were to leave, that might signal the death of the show.

I completely agree with this. If Cath, Nick or Greg left, I could definitely see the end of the show coming soon after. I'm not sure about Brass though. While he's an outstanding and well loved character, he's only in an average of 3 scenes per episode, so I'm not sure his leaving would cause any permanent damage to the show depending on what cop replaced him. But, I don't see him leaving (or any of them) anytime soon.

I started watching the show mainly because of the procedural parts. I liked the science and the whodunnit style mysteries. But you do have to have people that you enjoy solve these cases. I feel they need to go back to what they had in the first six seasons; step back from the personal lives and give us the cases. Only show us snippets of the characters personal lives to keep us guessing. Bait us.

But that's just me.

Agree. I started watching because I thought it was neat how they solved the crime. Luminol, etc. The neatest to me is that QD machine that puts the ink on the paper. It just fascinates me. :lol: And I agree about the snippets of personal lives.

 

[Adzix]

Thank you for the reminder!

I agree that if LF were to leave, no one would really care.

oh yeah, i have little doubt about that, unless S10 is going to change our minds. however, what i had in mind is that if LF leaves, TPTB will likely be looking for somebody else to become the male lead. kind of like, another Langston. i can just hear the collective groan of CBS watchers on a Thursday, 9/8c.

ETA:
but i totally agree it would be unnecessary. i would be perfectly content with reshuffling the line-up of the old team, how Sara put it, adding Wendy and introducing a new labrat for instance. but i'm not so sure TPTB would go for it. imo, they believe Grissom was a good magnet to watch the show. he is gone so they need a new one. and Nick is there anyhow.

 

[GregNickRyanFan]

Thank you for the reminder!

I agree that if LF were to leave, no one would really care.

oh yeah, i have little doubt about that, unless S10 is going to change our minds. however, what i had in mind is that if LF leaves, TPTB will likely be looking for somebody else to become the male lead. kind of like, another Langston. i can just hear the collective groan of CBS watchers on a Thursday, 9/8c.

Haha... I don't doubt that tptb would attempt that, but why bother? I mean, they're already grooming Nick to be the next Grissom, just in reverse (meaning Nick is assist. supervisor instead of actual suspervisor)... but they've got him studying bugs and stuff... so... why couldn't he just be the replacement. :lol: He's already there and has been since the beginning and has definitely earned it. Just like Nick earned his promotion.

 

[PraetorCorvinus]

If Cath, Nick or Greg left, I could definitely see the end of the show coming soon after. I'm not sure about Brass though. While he's an outstanding and well loved character, he's only in an average of 3 scenes per episode, so I'm not sure his leaving would cause any permanent damage to the show depending on what cop replaced him. But, I don't see him leaving (or any of them) anytime soon.

And that makes me sad . In the first couple of seasons, Brass was at like every crime scene, every interrogation. He was the cop. As much as I like Vartann, Vega and the others, we need more Brass! :scream:

Marg and George could definitely lead the show. Marg's been the leading lady since the beginning. Hell, when Bravo had their list of 100 greatest TV characters, Grissom and Catherine were both given the spot representing CSI. A couple of years ago, I wouldn't agree with Nick being front and center, but now he's really come into his own. TPTB need to downplay Langston and hit us up with more Nick and Cath. So far, Nick has been given good screentime, but where's out Lady?