Criminal Minds #3: Beware The Office Of Unfettered Omniscience

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Thank god I am not the only one who does that with older eps, I watch them and I am thinking Rossi wouldn't have done that, oh wait my bad. Rossi wouldn't have said that, or this, dang it never mind. :lol: I never really cared for Gideon I didn't really get into the show until he left (I caught up with repeated older eps) but Rossi yep, I just didn't find the chemistry with Gideon as you see with Rossi.

When Gideon was there with Hotch I always thought, tell me again who is the boss? Cause honestly they treated him more like the boss then Hotch which annoyed me, cause you know he wasn't. With Rossi, they look to him for idea's or if Hotch isn't around like a boss, but he makes it clear I am your equal, I am one of you. Also Gideon always seemed distant (could be the writers, or the actor) but with Rossi there is that family get ticked off and yet your forgiven (remembering them sneaking into his office to snoop lol) just close nit.
 
Oh, good, I'm not the only one that couldn't figure out who was supposed to be in charge when Gideon was on. I mean, when I started watching the show I thought Gideon was in charge, which is why I was confused at the end of that episode when Hotch was getting in trouble for the events that took place. Up until that point, I literally did not know that Hotch was supposed to be in charge.

Rossi might have a slight advantage in that, at that point, I knew that Hotch was the boss, but it was never something that I noticed like I did with Gideon. Which in a way is kind of funny, given that I'm pretty sure that there was some worry when he joined that he would try to be the boss. He was bad at the whole "team" thing, but he seemed content to just let Hotch be, well, Hotch.

I know what you mean about the "distant" thing, Destiny. Certain things that I see Rossi do I actually think "Gideon probably wouldn't have done that". And since I tend to like Rossi because of the things that he does, that might help contribute to why I don't like Gideon. :lol:
 
Gideon was NOT the boss?? I always thought that Hotch was promoted because Gideon left :lol:. Oh dear! I have to admit there are some episodes of season one I have not watched. I caught the show I think season 3 and watched every episode since Emily joined. Someday I'll get around to watching season one but Elle just annoys me a bit.

Wow again with the Gideon thing :lol:
 
Gideon was but he wasn't, apparently before the show actually aired.
"Gideon was the BAU's best profiler and former Unit Chief (was Unit Chief prior to the series, but replaced by Hotchner before the series began)."

Now when the show aired.. Nope in the first ep if you remember Hotch came to get Gideon "SSA Aaron Hotchner is asked to evaluate SSA Jason Gideon secretly to determine if he is really ready to work full-time again after returning from a six-month leave of absence."

And in the 2x23 ep "No Way out - The Evilution of Frank" Gideon says this to Hotch...
Gideon: Hey, Hotch. You're the best unit chief I know.
Hotchner: Jason, I'm the only unit chief you know.

So that points to the fact that Gideon ever being the boss happened way before the show came on the air, but Hotch let him basically have alot of latitude when it came to what he wanted to do. Even to the point of taking responsibility for his actions in 3x1 "Doubt" when Hotch got suspended (as Gideon discussed in his letter to Reid) for something that was his fault.
Gideon: That was the last domino. The death of that girl. Hotch being suspended over something that was my fault.

Hope that helps clear somethings up. Rossi being given the latitude (though rarely takes it unless he has to) because he is one of the founding members of the BAU, and been on the job a lot longer or as he said to Hotch..
Rossi: I’ve been doing this before you were out of high school, probably before the rest of your team was in school at all.


TRIVIA: Character vs Actor - Joe vs David
In the ep 3x7 "Identity"
-Rossi says he is 52, that aired in 11/7/07 making him about Currently 55 yrs old.
-The actor Joe was born 11/13/47 making the actor 62 Currently
-Now if you go back and compare when Joe first came on he was about 59 yrs. (minus 3 from current age)
-That would mean there was a 7 yr difference between his actual age and that of his character.
-Note to the date of the his first appearance and Joe's birthday,

:lol: Why this got my attention no clue but I was bored again freaky lol.
 
Thanks for the info Destiny :thumbsup:

I really have to watch those episodes in season one I have not yet seen. I'm with all of you who enjoy Rossi more than Gideon. It's not that I dislike Gideon but Rossi has more of a "team" feel than Gideon did.
 
I like Rossi better then Gideon. I think Rossi understand Hotch better then anyone. In my opinion, I always wondering if they are father or son or brothers, but they are good friends.
 
You're welcome. :) Just watch out when I get bored, ask folks lmao the last time I got bored. :D

I think that Hotch and Rossi get along so well is because like you mentioned NicknGrissom they seem like father/son or brothers. But also cause like that line I posted above that Rossi said
Rossi: I’ve been doing this before you were out of high school, probably before the rest of your team was in school at all.

So alot of things they are going through now, he has been through, and what he hasn't previous experience is helping him to guide (without actually making it known) them and himself through it.
 
I always figured that that was why I liked Rossi from a team-interaction standpoint better than Gideon. Gideon was so focused in his own issues (and occasionally Reid's) that he didn't bother to consider the fact that the rest of the team might be going through the same. Rossi realizes a lot more of the things that are affecting the younger agents. Here's trying to prevent them from ending up like Gideon, or possibly even himself. He was the guy- in "Omnivore", in "Demonology", in "Normal"- that recognized that one of his teammates was having issues and confronted them about it. I was never able to picture Gideon doing those things.

(I know that we had gotten off of the Gideon/Rossi conversation, but in order to make my point I had to bring it up again.)
 
Hey they are part of the show right? Therefore they are part of the topic. Besides nothing else really going on right now. And I don't want to get bored again cause that might truely hurt. :lol:
 
I'm just happy that we're discussing stuff. Bad things happen when I'm bored, too. Although I have school to keep me occupied (yet no more entertained).

Matthew Gray Gubler got a haircut, if any of you have seen it. It's short again. Are they still filming? Because if not I vote for him to keep it short at least until the premiere for next season so that we can have poor hair continuity like we had this season curtosey of Paget Brewster. :lol:
 
From what I understand its still short. His Tweets are funny you can see them Here. Goodness he is a comedian.
 
Rossi and Hotch relationship is one of my favorites.I remember the episode after Haley death that Rossi took Hotch to get some air and later was the one that found him in her grave.He also knew that Hotch was not going to quit. But like Alex said ,he gets along with everyone.I can easy picture him having a beer with Emily or Morgan.With the exception of Reid ,he gets along with everyone.
 
Yeah, Destiny, I follow him, that's how I knew about the haircut. :D

With the exception of Reid ,he gets along with everyone.
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It's not really that he doesn't get along with Reid, I just don't think he really understands him. But then, I'm not sure anyone understands Reid, so maybe that's not saying much. :lol:
 
I think with Reid it isn't that he doesn't get along with him that I agree with, I think its more the as pointed out understanding him, but two he doesn't want to coddle him, protect him from experiences that will help him go further in his career.

Otherwise if he didn't like or get along with him then in the 4x7 ep "Memoriam" he wouldn't have been there for him. Rossi and Morgan stayed behind but when it came to going to be hypnotised Rossi went with him and sat in on the session when the shrink brought Reid out, it was Rossi who reassured him he was okay and was right there by his side.

Reid has grown up being the "special kid" because of his brain, Gideon imo coddled him similar to his mother, Rossi it seems is indifferent to him because he is more, yeah your smart by book, but now you have to be smart by street to be complete in this job or it will get to you. You can bet that Rossi knows about Reids drug problem that he had.

Or the ep with the militia and the guy said he could take Reids gun from him, Rossi waited in the back ground, but let him know you are not alone when he backed him up.

Notice in that one ep 5x17 "Solitary man" when they were at the ditch and Rossi who we know could have went down in, didn't hold Reid back because of his leg, he forced him to make the decision to go into that ditch. He could have helped him out sure, but I think Reid needed to know he had the strength to do it himself.

Reid is maturing more not because of Rossi but because Rossi like the rest won't coddle him, won't say we have to protect that brain (in a way), your too sensitive so we won't put you in that position, etc. He is treating him like an equal, you might be smart again your human, your my equal, I am yours and what you teach me one way to look at things, I teach you the other.

Remember the ep 1x6 "LDSK" when Reid failed his gun qualifications? Gideon told the team don't bug him about it, but instead of helping him to feel better and more like an agent he stressed that he didn't need a gun, but Hotch took him aside to help him. Ultimately passing him when he shot the guy, though scary that he was aiming for the leg and got the forehead lmao. That passing made Reid not feel like he failed. While he did figure out you don't always need a gun, it helps.

At least thats how I look at it. I don't know if Coddle is the right word but it's the only one I could come up with.
 
I know exactly what you mean. I don't exactly know what the word is (not sure if it's "coddle" or something else), but basically the point is that Gideon treated Reid as a young genius that happens to have a gun. Rossi treats him like a young FBI agent that happens to be a genius.

Really, though, that right there is the main difference between Gideon and Rossi. Gideon treated the team almost like a tool that he could use to catch criminals as well as channel his guilt-complex. He also had this thing where Reid was the Genius. And yes, the capital is on purpose. Rossi might have been skeptical of the team idea at first, but once he got over that he treated the others like a team. They're all brilliant in their own rights, just in different ways, and he treated them all as such. He's treated them as FBI agents that are very good at what they do, but every once in a while need some direction in how to handle situations that they've never had to deal with before.
 
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