Clip of the Week: Week Five Now Up!

[Finch]

I've been mulling over this idea for some time and figured with the summer here and another potential strike looming, we need something a little more interactive around here to keep us busy and talking.

So with this, I've decided to start a 'Clip of the Week' thread. What does this entail?

1. Jess or myself will post a clip from CSI:Miami at the beginning of each week.
2. We will then attach a question after the clip and y'all will have to analyse the specific scene in relation to the question.

It's sort of like reviewing fan fiction but using an actual visual from an episode.

The questions may be technical, for example: "How is the use of slow-motion effective in this scene?" or "How does the music contrast the emotions portrayed?"


Alternatively, the questions may be a simple commentary on that scene as a whole. For example: "When Horatio sat down beside Tripp at the end of 'Bait', there was no direct dialogue between the characters. How was this appropriate/inappropriate for these particular characters?"

• May anyone participate?

You bet. It's open for anyone.

• Can one offer some additional commentary not related to the question?

Yep! It's about recognizing what the writers or actors (perhaps both) are trying to portray and whether it was done in an effective manner and its possible impact on the audience -- if at all.

• This all seems a little too over-analytical.

Perhaps, but those who have always been interested in media studies, or those who are simply looking for a fun way to discuss part of an episode with a visual component can find that here. Also, there is no right or wrong answer.

So hopefully we'll get some good participation!

We'll have a two-part question this week to get things started.

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Week One

Clip

-There is no dialogue in this scene between both characters. What is the possible significance to this? Also, in this scene, Ryan looks back to Horatio as he's standing in the window, causing him to be 'pushed', if you will. What is the possible significance/meaning?

 

[ILuvJonathanTogo]

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Way to make me cry, Geni! I wanted to just forget about that scene, I hate it.

-There is no dialogue in this scene between both characters. What is the possible significance to this?

One reason why I think there was no dialogue for this scene is because they really needed to work up the emotion. That music, Ryan's gloomy expression..it all wouldn't have hit the heart as hard(unless you dont like Ryan ) if there had been a conversation. Also I think that they didn't use dialogue so that Ryan and Horatio could have some kind of silent communication, so to address their strong relationship and therefore imply that H would help Ryan.

Ryan looks back to Horatio as he's standing in the window, causing him to be 'pushed', if you will. What is the possible significance/meaning?

To me, the point of Ryan being "pushed" was just to add insult to injury. I think it was just meant to torment all the Ryan lovers and anyone with a heart for that matter, by kicking him when he was down. It could also mean that for Ryan, it might be rough at first but that because of Horatio's grinning(for lack of better words) in the window he knows that he'll be alright even though life really sucks at the moment.

I hope someone can understand by rambling

 

[Kit4na]

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I think with that silent scene between Ryan and Horatio, they show that they don't need words to understand eachother. That they both trust eachother enough. Horatio obviously understands the situation Ryan got himself into, but he's very confident he, Ryan, will be able to fix it. Of course with that other officer running into Ryan, Ryan himself realizes not everyone is like Horatio, that not everyone is going to accept it. He will have to work hard for it, but the person who hired him in the first place is still supportive of him. Which I think is beautiful.

 

[mjszud]

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Way to make me cry, Geni! I wanted to just forget about that scene, I hate it.

-There is no dialogue in this scene between both characters. What is the possible significance to this?

One reason why I think there was no dialogue for this scene is because they really needed to work up the emotion. That music, Ryan's gloomy expression..it all wouldn't have hit the heart as hard

I absolutely agree with that.

Those "quiet" moments seem to say more than actual conversations do a lot of times. It's a read-between-the-lines- sorta thing.
At first I didn't really know how to take Horatio's "smile", but Im guessing that was his way of reassuring Ryan that everything would be ok, & that he was going to have his back.

As far as the pushing...to me, that was all about respect. In any other case, that person who "bumped" into him would have - A: not done it to begin with, because he is CSI Wolfe, & B: the person would have respected him enough to turn around & apologize.

So, that said to me, that Ryan had lost the respect of others, along with losing his badge. Which, to me, is a biggie for Ryan & the kind of person he is. Im not really saying he's a "show-off", but he likes to be "on top"...be 'da man...so I think that really crushed him, having someone just bump into him like that & then act as if he doesn't exist.


Great idea, lovely Mods...melikey!:thumbsup:

 

[Hrockz]

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Oh great idea I love this. Thanks for the idea S_C.

The lack of dialogue was good for this scene and it conveyed alot from the expressions on H and Ryan's faces. Sometimes a lack of dialouge in scenes are all the more powerful. And this was supposed to be a powerful, poignant scene. IMO and I mentioned in other threads. H regards Ryan as his protege. Maybe he reminds H of himself when he was younger. H also seems to have a soft spot for Ryan.

The way Ryan exited the building slowly while everyone was rushing in going in the opposite direction just showed the contrast between their emotions. Ryan wasn't in a hurry to leave the profession he loved. Ryan was looking for reassurance. He turned to look at H. But the person who walked into him/"pushed" him jolted him back to real life. he was on his own.

But H's reassuring, almost fatherly smile showed 1) he had confidence Ryan would be back 2) he wanted to reassure Ryan that he would find a way to help him get his job back (as H told him later in season 6, I can't remember the episode) when H told him that the team hadn't given up on him3) he assured Ryan that even though things didn't seem to be going well, things would work out 4) H is gonna watch his back, even if Ryan isn't his CSI anymore (which he did in Cyber-lebrity when he helped Ryan get the bodyguard job).

 

[Della]

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I think the significance of having no dialogue with this scene, whether it was to have been mouthed or said aloud, is because the music and the faces of Ryan and Horatio were saying it all. I honestly think that if they had added words to the scene, it would have only enhanced the sickly, sweet musical overture that was occurring in the background and, in my opinion, I think words would have also seriously diluted the impact of what had happened to Ryan.

I have to say that I thought the scene was perfectly acted by both JT and DC, because, in all honesty, the overture that was playing was a little too much to stomach for me, but because DC and JT never overplayed the scene themselves, they managed to ground the sentimental overture into something less sweet and more poignant.


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I think Ryan was devastated as he left the building, but when he looked back at Horatio, his back straightened a bit and his face changed to almost a defiant look of ‘This doesn’t bother me’, but the moment he was ‘bumped into’ by someone who was going into the building, (possibly conveying their complete lack of respect for Ryan), Ryan’s demeanour changed again, possibly thinking he deserved such treatment, and when he looked down and started to walk away, I think he knew that Horatio knew just how much the job actually meant to him and that he had not only let himself down, but Horatio and the rest of the team as well, and also anyone else who wore the badge with as much pride as he did.

As for Horatio, I think the tiny smile on his face was a combination of things. I think it was to tell Ryan ‘Chin up, you’ll be back if I have anything to do with it’. I also think that when Ryan first looked at Horatio, the smile was also to tell Ryan that he knew all he was doing was putting on a brave front and that he was being childish in doing that. But when Ryan walked away and Horatio sighed and the smile disappeared, I think he was disappointed that Ryan hadn’t accepted his offer of help earlier and he could have been thinking, ‘You should have let me help you, Ryan.’

That’s what I got from the scene, though I’m not sure if that falls under the category of significance or not

 

[greatfan]

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I think with that silent scene between Ryan and Horatio, they show that they don't need words to understand each other. That they both trust each other enough.

H regards Ryan as his protege. Maybe he reminds H of himself when he was younger. H also seems to have a soft spot for Ryan.

Because Ryan perhaps reminds H of himself at a younger age,no words were needed.H understands Ryan more than Ryan may be aware of.

But H's reassuring, almost fatherly smile showed 1) he had confidence Ryan would be back 2) he wanted to reassure Ryan that he would find a way to help him get his job back

I pretty much agree with everything that is posted here. Initially I wasn't sure what to make of H's smile,but when you look at it again you do see a look of reassurance .
As far as the push,I do think that showed a lack of respect on the other person's part,but Ryan may also have felt he wasn't deserving of respect at that point.

 

[Finch]

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Excellent points everyone.

Oh great idea I love this. Thanks for the idea S_C

Great idea, lovely Mods...melikey! :thumbsup:

Thanks.

-There is no dialogue in this scene between both characters. What is the possible significance to this?

I think adding in dialogue would cheapen the moment. It was so strong on its own and both actors did a terrific job using only their bodies and expressions. Like others have said, the scene worked well without the dialogue and needed nothing else. I also think that nothing really HAD to be said between both characters. I think they pretty much understood where the other stands.

-Ryan looks back to Horatio as he's standing in the window, causing him to be 'pushed', if you will. What is the possible significance/meaning?

I agree with others--I saw it as a 'kicked when you're down' type of thing. It just added to the fact that he no longer held much respect in his field and I think the reason it happened as he was looking back at Horatio is because he's lingering on what he had and that jolted him back to reality. I had another thought on it but I can't seem to remember it at the moment. :lol: It was really deep too, trust me.

 

[MaddyAnn]

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Great idea for a thread!

-There is no dialogue in this scene between both characters. What is the possible significance to this?

There was nothing further to be said. Ryan knew what he did was wrong, and so did Horatio. The look Horatio gave him said, "Now you know." It was almost a father/son-esk moment. Sometimes the son just needs to learn things the hard way. Having no words in this scene made you pay more attention to the emotion on the actors' faces, in order to better understand the situation.

-Ryan looks back to Horatio as he's standing in the window, causing him to be 'pushed', if you will. What is the possible significance/meaning?

This was actually one of my favorite moments of season 5. I thought that "push" gave such a powerful message. Ryan lied to Horatio, and Horatio didn't tolerate it. Horatio realizes that being a police officer is a job of great responsibility. Ryan actions were irresponsible at best. Because of this, Ryan lost his place in the "high up" world. As he leaves the place he once belonged, he finds that people's respect for him has been lowered, which was shown by the "push." It signified a demotion in society which Ryan had clearly taken.

 

[Della]

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Sorry, I'm probably being really dense here, but I don't undstand this 'push' thing that keeps being mentioned. I wonder if someone could explain it to me?

 

[Finch]

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Sorry, I'm probably being really dense here, but I don't undstand this 'push' thing that keeps being mentioned. I wonder if someone could explain it to me?

Someone bumped into Ryan. I just described it as a push because some may have seen it as intentional and some may not have.

 

[Della]

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Sorry, I'm probably being really dense here, but I don't undstand this 'push' thing that keeps being mentioned. I wonder if someone could explain it to me?

Someone bumped into Ryan. I just described it as a push because some may have seen it as intentional and some may not have.

Aaaah, thank you speed-cochrane. Muchly appreciated. I honestly thought that's what you meant but after reading a couple of responses I was beginning to think you might have meant Horatio pushing Ryan out of the nest, that type of thing - and I then got all cafuzzled and needed to know for sure

 

[HoratioStalker]

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As far as the lack of dialog, I think the scene worked perfectly without it. Both actors convey so much without saying a word in all they do, and it really comes out here. H's faint Mona Lisa smile seems like a hug through the window to Ryan, telling him it will all be ok, just give it time.

 

[Florry86]

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I know I'm late for this (I've been a little busy with because of some troubles) but I'd like to do it cause I always enjoy this kind of stuff.

First of all great idea speed_cochrane & Jess !!!!!:thumbsup:I think this is such a good way to analyse the show and its episodes. Plus I love this kind of things.

Week One

Clip

-There is no dialogue in this scene between both characters. What is the possible significance to this?

In my opinion the lack of dialogue is due to the importance of the scene. In this scene Ryan was just fired and Horatio was looking out of the window his co-worker right in the worst moment of his carreer.
There's no word to describe Ryan's mood and movements. Same thing for Horatio's glance. Some times a dialogue can ruin the importance of a certain moments and definetly this scene didn't need a dialogue. The most important thing for it was the acting of Jonathan Togo and David Caruso combined with a good music as background.
Jonathan Togo played Ryan's feelings in such a good way. While he had those puppy eyes like a little child who was just punished, he showed us how he was ashemed for the actions he did. He knew he was doing something wrong but he did it and in that scene he showed he understood he disappointed his boss. Togo also kinda showed how Ryan disappointed us..the viewers.
At the same time David Caruso showed another time the human side of Horatio Caine, the one who follows his team in its every action. It was pretty clear how Horatio was disappointed by Ryan's action but at the same time he wanted to see the guy going out from the building as if he wanted to follow him...to see what he was going to do. Ryan noticed it and turned back to see his boss.
I don't think there could have been a better way to shoot that scene for both David Caruso and Jonathan Togo.
A dialogue would have ruined this great performance and scene. It was pretty clear from their acting what kind of feeling both H and Ryan had in that moment.

Also, in this scene, Ryan looks back to Horatio as he's standing in the window, causing him to be 'pushed', if you will. What is the possible significance/meaning?

Ryan looking back didn't notice a cop who pushed him aside. This moment kinda looked as if this cop was telling him (by his movement) he was exlcuded from the MDPD because of his actions (gambling certainly isn't good for a cop). Although the cop didn't knew Ryan was fired it was pretty clear that in that moment Ryan was going to be completely excluded from the MDPD.
I also noticed this cop was a black person and I think this particular increased the significance of the "push". Usually black people are "discriminated" because of their skin colour and they're also considered weaker than the rest of the society.
Well having a black cop pushing Ryan ,from a sociologic point of view, was a very meaningful action. Ryan was going to be exclude from his "world" (the MDPD) by one of the most discrimated people of the world....not by a blonde woman with blue or green eyes. If he had been pushed by a person who looked like Calleigh, it would have been completely different, I think the "push" would have lost most of its importance cause I'm sure it was meaningful in that moment. Probably it wasn't intended in this way but still I think this particular was studied from TPTB and I have to say I really enjoyed it

 

[Finch]

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Florry86]I know I'm late for this (I've been a little busy with because of some troubles) but I'd like to do it cause I always enjoy this kind of stuff

No worries--I've been a bit late getting up the next clip due to RL.

I loved reading your insights of the scene. Especially the last bit--interesting way to see it.

I should have the next clip up either later tonight or tomorrow.

ETA:

Okay, here we go! Next clip! We can, of course, still discuss the first clip if one feels the need.

This one will have three questions to get the ball rolling. Again, additional commentary not related to the questions is perfectly fine.

Week Two

Clip (Courtesy of HCrazy)

** Optional ** This scene may seem similar in some ways to Week One's clip but different in others. What are some possible differences and similarities?

-I'd like to touch upon is the music heard in this part of the episode. It was heard multiple times throughout the first few seasons--most notably, 'Golden Parachute' and 'Witness to Murder'. Why do you suppose TPTB decided to use this particular music again?

-Lastly, what is the possible significance of the last lines:

"Do you ever see him H?"
"Every day. Every day."