Clip of the Week: Week Five Now Up!

[Wyoming]

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My gosh I feel like I'm in english class analyzing a scene from a play :lol:

For the first question about the music, I really can't relate, I don't pay all that much attention to the music, but the first episode I thought of when I heard it was "Death Grip" I honestly can't tell you why I thought that, I don't know if similar music was played, but I remember when they were throwing white roses into the water for the girls death, and the music just triggered that scene for some reason.

As for the last line, I think that TPTB was trying to give the Speedle fans some reassurance that Speedle is always thought of. He's a dear friend and co worker to the lab. I think eventually TPTB figured out how angry the fans were when they killed off Speedle so effortlessly and carelessly, so they wanted to give the fans a little something to show them that they did care about what happened to the character, and that it did affect the characters deeply, and it still was affecting them. BBYD was definitely one of my favorite newer episodes. I think they did a great job with the Speedle scenes and the whole storyline. It was great.

 

[luf100]

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Hm, I'm not really good at explaining things but I'll try.

I think they used music that was used a lot in earlier seasons, to remember Speed in a sort of away. Since he was only in seasons 1 & 2, and they used that music a lot in those seasons, it was another way to help remember him.

As for the lines, I think it was to let fans of Speed know that "the team" hasn't forgotten him. He was a part of their team, and they won't ever forget him.

 

[Dragonfly]

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Oh Geni, you're killing me. This scene gets me every time.

First of all, I think the music really sets the mood here, and it's very powerful. It's sad, but in a beautiful way.

The last lines of the scene are so perfect. Obviously, H doesn't literally see Speed, the way that Eric has been. I think what he means is that every day, he sees something that reminds him of Speed. In the work that they do, in the people they meet, in the lab where he worked. Speed cared about what they did (even if he claimed otherwise ), and that's something that H carries with him. Horatio was also the one that was with him when he died, and that's something that he will never forget.
It seems like such a simple line, but, in my opinion, it holds so much meaning. It's such a wonderful tribute to his memory. I also think that it's a small way for H to let Eric know that things will be alright, and that he's not alone.

This episode, and particularly this scene, made me remember why I love this show.

 

[lusiana88]

Re: Clip of the Week: Week Two Now Up!

Let's give it a try, I love this clip and dreaming to become a video editor, I'll try to analyze this clip!

I think the music gives a kind of continuity. It is a good choice because this kind of music, which isn't too loud and it's instrumental, is perfect for a moment of reflection. Technically, given that we have a dialogue to put on it, you obviously don't use a sung song (this is instead a horrible choice of words :lol because it will cover the voices and distract the viewer. Emotionally, an instrumental song tent to mix perfectly in this kind of moments, this music, above all, has been used before, it's like when you need to think and you have your spaces and your habits which help you to relax. That music is CSI:Miami's character's spaces and habits. (Hope I could explain what I think, it's difficult in another language)

The last sentence. First, Speed has died in H's arms, so he will never forget it, it's something that haunts you.
Those sentences are a way to say that Speed is a living presence in the team life, he was part of the team, a friend, and the fact that he isn't there anymore physically doesn't change the importance he has for the people who had loved and still loves him.
They are even a good way to give to Caruso his last one-line without him to be the protagonist of the moment.

 

[Florry86]

Re: Clip of the Week: Week Two Now Up!

1) Similarities:
-two people sharing the same scene (I'm not considering Tim just because he was an hallucination in that moment)
-sadness
Differences:
-there was a dialogue surrounded by the music.

2) The music was used very often by TPTB especially for very sad moments except Speedle's funeral (it was an Irish music) and the one in "Death Grip" (it was Gabriel by Lamb).
The last funeral this music was used for....well it was "Death Eminent" when Calleigh went there to support the only member who was partecipating: the uncle of the girl (again only two people sharing the same scene).
This time it wasn't a funeral but it was Eric remembering Speedle's funeral and remembering everyone's reaction especially Horatio's and Calleigh's one (right with these two people the music reched the top). I think it's a very powerful kind of music especially for these kinds of moment (I actually cried when they showed Horatio, Calleigh and then Speedle appeared at the cemetery), although I think I would have preferred the Irish music from Speedle's funeral (you know to remember him in a better way and honestly I love it).

3)I think this dialogue was built up by TPTB to show us how Horatio actually never forgot Tim. Yeah he mentioned him a lot of times (probably a lot more than the others) but we never got to know how he truely was affected by this loss.
Saying "every day" he shows us how Speedle was actually important for him. They never showed it before with him, the showed it with Eric in a lot of episodes, they showed it with Alexx in "Hell Night" and with Calleigh in "Bang Bang Your Debt" (yeah it was a little bit late for her to mention him:lol.
I guess this was why the built up this dialogue

 

[Finch]

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Oh Geni, you're killing me. This scene gets me every time.

:devil:

They are even a good way to give to Caruso his last one-line without him to be the protagonist of the moment.

Agreed completely. It was a nice moment between both characters and I think that line was simple and effective. Sometimes Horatio doesn't need to say something snappy or 'cool' to make an impact on the audience. I thought that particular part of the scene redeemed him in a way--it reminded me of who he was in the earlier seasons. Kind of brought back down to planet Earth, y'know?

I'm going to go with the optional question because I'm a nerd like that.

** Optional ** This scene may seem similar in some ways to Week One's clip but different in others. What are some possible differences and similarities?

Some similarities were that it was again, Horatio interacting in a way with a troubled member of his team. It was also a moment that was fairly simple and wasn't flashy or goddy. The difference is, the wall wasn't there between H/Eric which I think is quite appropriate for these two characters given the history they both had with Speed. I think Horatio understands in a way what Eric is going through even three years later, whereas, with Ryan losing his job, Horatio was more of the parental/authority/guiding figure with an understanding but not a deep deep connection. Which is why I think the wall was there between them but it was completely open between H and Eric because of their shared experience and 'relationship'. He was more of a friend with Eric and more of a boss with Ryan.

Why do you suppose TPTB decided to use this particular music again?

Like others have said, it seems to correlate to earlier seasons and past moments. And because they were at the graveyard and in front of Speed's headstone, one may have the impression that there's a reminiscence so perhaps the music was a parallel to that.

Which actually brings me to another point with that scene. It struck me as interesting that Eric and Horatio would have been at the graveyard. It would have equally made sense for them to have a conversation in the locker room--maybe Eric had to make sure for himself that what he was experiencing wasn't real? I think maybe it hit home much more clearly that way. And it's funny, I was waiting for a scene like that since season three and I think they did an excellent job with it, despite it being three years too late. :lol: But that's a conversation for another time.

-Lastly, what is the possible significance of the last lines:

"Do you ever see him H?"
"Every day. Every day."

I loved this line for so many reasons. One reason, again, is because it worked and didn't make Horatio seem contrived for saying it. I pretty much agree with what everyone said about it--especially this though:

The last lines of the scene are so perfect. Obviously, H doesn't literally see Speed, the way that Eric has been. I think what he means is that every day, he sees something that reminds him of Speed. In the work that they do, in the people they meet, in the lab where he worked. Speed cared about what they did (even if he claimed otherwise ), and that's something that H carries with him.

It's a nice contrast between what Eric is literally seeing and what Horatio is remembering which gives a depth to the line.

 

[mjszud]

Re: Clip of the Week: Week Two Now Up!

I'll start with the "optional" (is this like extra credit?)

The similarites were (to me) all about Horatio and how he is with the members of his team. It's what I adore about his character, he's much more of a friend/relative than a boss, and it clearly showed in the scene with Eric.

The music? All you need is good soft piano style music and one can easily shed a tear!! It deepens the moment. The fact that it was used in earlier seasons was a simple reminder of the "Speedle days"; the perfect tribute to him.

As for Horatio's comment, I thought it was perfect. It wasn't too much or too little. In one way, he was reassuring Eric that he was ok, & that he "saw" Speed too, just in a different way.
In the other, the comment showed that Horatio himself still carries Speedle's memory with him & that he "sees" him every day, whether it be the mental image of him being shot & dying in his arms or working in the lab...it told us in a sense that he's still there "with him".

Im gonna add something further. I thought it was way past due for this kind of scene with Eric truly mourning Speed's death. The writers poorly wrote Eric's take on his death, & that scene made up for it!!
I also wonder at times if Eric himself asks why he was "chosen" to survive a bullet to the brain, but Speed didn't survive, nor Marisol for that matter. Overall, I thought the entire Speed/hallucination angle was something that Adam's character deserved, which was a proper goodbye between 2 great friends.

 

[Dragonfly]

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Im gonna add something further. I thought it was way past due for this kind of scene with Eric truly mourning Speed's death. The writers poorly wrote Eric's take on his death, & that scene made up for it!!
I also wonder at times if Eric himself asks why he was "chosen" to survive a bullet to the brain, but Speed didn't survive, nor Marisol for that matter. Overall, I thought the entire Speed/hallucination angle was something that Adam's character deserved, which was a proper goodbye between 2 great friends.

Absolutely! I completely agree. I've had thoughts along those lines myself a few times.

 

[Finch]

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Week Three

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We're going to deal with team interaction this week.

1) In the clip, Calleigh and Eric are standing together while Ryan is apart from them. What is the possible reason for that--if at all?

2) (Just because it's fun and I'm curious) Do you think Calleigh, Eric or someone else actually put the coffin away/stole the coffin and are just pulling Ryan's leg? Or was there something mysterious afoot?

 

[mjszud]

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I didn't really see any major significance in Ryan being "seperated", except maybe it was to show how much "the curse" effected him & that it didn't bother Eric or Calleigh.

Did they hide it from him?
I don't think so considering the mini coffin showed up at the end under a chair on the beach. I think it was TPTB just giving viewers the doo-doo-doo-doo-dooooo effect.

 

[Finch]

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I don't think so considering the mini coffin showed up at the end under a chair on the beach. I think it was TPTB just giving viewers the doo-doo-doo-doo-dooooo effect.

That's what I was thinking as well. :lol: And it actually seemed kind of silly to me that the coffin ended up on the beach because the show doesn't deal with the supernatural--even if it was something fun for a change. Kind of reminds me of Jumaji; just shows up randomly for someone to find.

So part of me thinks someone took it and put it there - not necessarily someone on the team because it was evidence afterall - and another part thinks someone was smoking something wierd when they wrote the episode. I don't know, I just can't fathom CSI:Miami doing the supernatural, call me crazy.

As for the first question, I think there's still a separation so-to-speak among the team. I could be reading too much into it but Calleigh and Eric have been co-workers for a long time and Ryan, while not the n00b anymore, seemed to me to still have trouble connecting. I'd like to see a scene where Ryan doesn't keep seeming like the newbie even if the end of COTC was great. Just my perspective on it.

 

[HellsBells]

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I think that the seperation of Ryan and the other two was a way to show how he's really not 100% part of the team (and it might have just been a way for the camera angle, who knows). It shows that even though they worked as a team, Ryan still isn't part of the inside group.

Would Natalia be part of the inside group? Most likely-- she didn't "replace" (and I use that term so vaguely because Ryan wasn't replacing-just making up a missing part of the team) a beloved member of the team.

As for the mystery of the missing coffin- I think it was the writer's idea as a cool way to celebrate Halloween. Though they have never "celebrated" the holiday (they've mentioned the holiday in passing in a couple episodes, like Hell Night), they began a new tradition. And to have this "Did they or didn't they effect" was a pretty cool side thought. I liked it at least.

 

[greatfan]

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Week Three

We're going to deal with team interaction this week.

1) In the clip, Calleigh and Eric are standing together while Ryan is apart from them. What is the possible reason for that--if at all?

I don't think there is any reason,Ryan just happened to sit seperately. This is one of few episodes that actually showed great interaction between the three.There was laughter and joking between all of them.

2) (Just because it's fun and I'm curious) Do you think Calleigh, Eric or someone else actually put the coffin away/stole the coffin and are just pulling Ryan's leg? Or was there something mysterious afoot?

The coffin appeared with the girl that actually got away. One of those things that make you go hmmm,is she protected by whatever? I don't think Calleigh put it away. Eric didn't want to have anything to do with the coffin,he wouldn't even touch it.

 

[Hrockz]

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1) In the clip, Calleigh and Eric are standing together while Ryan is apart from them. What is the possible reason for that--if at all?

Oh 'Curse of the Coffin', one of my fave episodes in season 5. It was one of the funnier episodes IMO. This is probably related to the second question, you know how colleagues sometimes 'gang up' to play a trick on each other. In this case Cal and Eric were probably in on trying to freak Ryan out. It was clearly an "after work" interaction, the 3 of them were talking about the case after shift was over. So Eric and Cal stood together, cos they were in on playing that trick on Ryan. I always had this feeling Eric likes to tease Ryan. And this was probably one of those instances.

2) (Just because it's fun and I'm curious) Do you think Calleigh, Eric or someone else actually put the coffin away/stole the coffin and are just pulling Ryan's leg? Or was there something mysterious afoot?

Like I said in the above, I think Eric and Cal were pulling his leg. And they did a good job of putting on a straight face, but I think maybe there was a hint of mischief on Calleigh's face.

 

[EmilyRocks]

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Love this episode, first off. I think Calleigh and Eric standing together shows that they might have been trying to mess with Ryan still. He's not the newbie anymore as someone pointed out, but I think that E and C make such a good team that they still would want to do stuff to Ryan... or at least make him think that they are doing something.

2) Calleigh did have a little bit of a grin. So maybe she did move it or get someone to move it. I'm pretty sure Eric was too freaked with the whole curse thing to even touch it.