Originally Posted by MissCandy:
His look was awesome. It was this half smile funny look. :lol: I don't know how to describe it actually. It was a fantastic scene for those two. Also I like that she got to show him she's been doing exactly the same as the girl. She's really been doing some farmer's things I think. I love that! I wonder if her parents have a farm or something and if she was supposed to work there before she decided to be a CSI.
I'm thinking that her family owns a cattle ranch, and that's where she's lived for most of her life -- ranching is kind of central to Montana's economy, I think, so it'd make sense... and plus, she specifically mentioned that rawhide braids were used to make "lassos to herd cattle" (oh, btw, best image in the
world, picturing Lindsay with a lasso :lol
. I'm also loving the idea that she used to be into horses (because she mentioned that too), and maybe still is. Not that I want to hear more characters pointing out how Lindsay is from Montana, but I kind of wish the show would focus a little more on that angle of her again. Cliched, yeah, but I found it cute anyway
Yes, I loved that. What I love about her are all those different sides. She can be excited, she can be nothing-bothers-me, she can be thoughtful, she can be calm and then freak out. It's a mix and you never know what'll happen next. It's not boring, and that's what I enjoy a lot about her.
Exactly; Lindsay's relate-ability is a huge part of her charm, or so I've seen...and what I love even more is how easy she is to read -- well, for me, even if not so much for the other characters. Like I can always tell when she's about to freak out, and when she's calm -- and if she's particularly happy or peppy, I can usually guess the reason why; or realize that she's just doing it to mask her true emotions. It's fun, reading her and seeing how what she's feeling influences her interactions with the other characters.
To me Mac seems to be like that sometimes. I really love the man, but sometimes he's just too perfect, finds answers too quick and knows too much and even when he's working his own cases, it's perfectly fine. But maybe that's just me and the way I understood this whole Mary Sue thingy. :lol: I still love him though, especially when he shows his emotional side like he did a lot in season 5.
Oh yes, between him and Super Horatio on CSI:Miami, there's definitely some borderline-Gary-Stu-ness there. But the thing is, Mac has flaws -- and characters have been known to call him out for them sometimes (admittedly, this happened a lot more frequently in the earlier seasons than now; but remember when he yelled at Hawkes in S3 about that vic he knew, and then Hawkes retorted that he was letting his own personal biases cloud his judgment? And all the times Stella has fought with him
). That's what makes the difference for me with Mac. Lately they've been showing him as almost superhumanly powerful and heroic, but they've acknowledged his more flawed, realistic side lots of times before.
Originally Posted by MakeTracksCowboy:
ok i'm late on The Handler talk but i found this plot on TV.com and just picturing this happening made me laugh hysterically:
"Lily goes undercover as an Irish nanny in order to determine the whereabouts of another Irish nanny who has gone missing and is possibly dead."
haha omg i can picture this being so damn funny.
I saw that! (well, the plot synopsis of that episode) I've wanted to know how it played out for ages. I'm so not giving up the search for online "The Handler".
I'm pretty sure "Medical Investigation" is on DVD, because I've seen a few advertisements for it online (whether or not it was NBC that released it, I'm not as sure :shifty
. But seriously, they
should have snatched it up to sell on DVD, it was a great series. Maybe they don't put shows on DVD if they've only lasted a season?
Originally Posted by csinynut:
Mmm...That's interesting, You know that in real Life (of course we're talking about a tv show), if i meet somebody who seems to have it all together like you you described, a " Mary Sue", i would run like hell:lol:. Somebody who is always smilling, who's got all the answer, there's never a wrinkle on their f***ing shirt. Not because they are or seem to be perfect, but to me they are automatically suspect of being totally F***ed up, of hiding something. Somebody who has a front and never lets anybody in. Lets face it we all have a dark side, and most of the time we get glimpses of peoples dark sides thru tiny cracks all around us.
Yes! And in fact, the problem with most Mary-Sues in fiction is that the authors (or show-writers or whoever)
never even consider that generally, people who are like this all the time might be hiding something, because they want it to come across to the audience that "no, this person really
is that awesome and amazing1!1" But the fact is, I think Anna Belknap specifically played it so that it showed that Lindsay's happiness was mostly a front -- understandable, because she
did have a dark secret and a dark side, and hello realism. That's what makes her portrayal so refreshing to me. Yeah, I saw Lindsay as a Mary Sue during the first few episodes I watched her in, but that's because I was more looking at her actions, rather than her behaviour...if that makes sense. But that sense of perkiness-being-a-front was always there, I just kind of missed it. I mean, now when I watch those same episodes that I couldn't stand her in before (like "Cool Hunter", for example), I love her in them.
I understand what you're saying about Lindsay when she first appeaed on CSI NY, she was projecting the image of a perfectly immaculate, fresh-faced girl from Montana arriving in New York with this dire need to learn and prove herself. But i didn't really see her as a Mary Sue (now i could think of a particular former ME, now a CSI, who knows everything and has all sorts of wonderfully ironed shirts,
). I just basically saw her as somebody wanting to prove herself, totally terrified of making a mistake, alone in big city, and wanting to impress her boss. Totally understandable.
Oh no, I was easily more forgiving of the image Lindsay herself was trying to portray -- yeah, she was new, I could see why she was trying so hard to look perfect. (I didn't like all the perkiness and stuff that much, but if that was all there was I wouldn't have had a huge problem.) A big part of my issue, though, was how everyone
else was responding to her: Mac, Stella, Hawkes, etc, and the only character who didn't seem to think she was the greatest thing since sliced bread right away was clearly going to be sleeping with her later on. (In all fairness, though, I saw "Snow Day" and other DL-ish episodes long before I saw "Zoo York" online, so that probably influenced my thought process...I don't know how Danny and Lindsay's first interactions came off to people who've been watching the episodes in order from the beginning.)
I would have liked it so much more if Lindsay had actually had to work to prove herself in order to make the others like her as much as they did, because that's what people do in real life. That's what Hawkes kind of had to do (with both Danny and Flack, anyway), it's what Adam had to do (with Danny). Heck, it's what Eva Rossi on Medical Investigation had to do, and she'd been with that team for a while. And especially since Lindsay came in replacing a presumably-beloved former member of the team, it would have made more sense if she'd had to prove herself too. I expected Danny's reaction to come from other people too -- I mean, Stella seemed pretty close to Aiden, as did Mac. But they both loved her right off the bat, and that's why I'm still calling Mary Sue on Lindsay :lol:
ETA: Sorry, I forgot this the first time -- Hawkes as a Gary Stu! :lol: I've never really considered it that way before, but it's true, he so fits all the requirements. But I guess for me, Hawkes has never really come across that way because he did kind of have to prove himself (at least with Flack -- "Corporate Warriors", and even after that it took them a while to really warm up to each other). And then when he makes mistakes, like not telling Mac about the vic that he knew, or about his ex-girlfriend in "Help", he gets called on it. Then there was "Raising Shane"...again, I'm still crossing my fingers hard I'm wrong :lol: but I can't really picture Lindsay being arrested under suspicion of murder. Not because no one would believe it she's capable of that (no one seriously believed Hawkes was capable of it either); only because I think TPTB wouldn't ever let her star in that kind of storyline (It'd be an interesting one, though! You have to admit that
)
On an other matter i'd be really interested to know what are the other four episodes in your top five list.
Oh, that's easy
"Dancing with Fishes"; "Boo"; "Buzzkill"; "Wasted". All of them were great episodes for Lindsay, I thought, and highlight the parts of her character that I find most interesting.
(I feel like there are so many episodes which are always battling to make the top-five list, though -- like "All Access" and "Heroes" and "Live or Let Die", or "Murder Sings the Blues" or "Charge of this Post" or "Oedipus Hex" or "Sex, Lies, and Silicone", or "Rush to Judgment"...ooh, and definitely "One Wedding and a Funeral". Argh, this should totally be a top fifteen list instead :lol::lol
