Originally Posted by csinynut:
Can somebody explain to me this whole "Mary Sue" thing ? Being french Canadian i have no concept or reference to understand this. I mean i can make a few guesses. I've seen it apply to Lindsay and more recently to the new girl. But i don't see any links.
Mary Sue is a female character (in books/movies/TV/whatevs) who's basically perfect -- pretty, smart, tough, endearing, perky, cool -- and moreover, everyone
else thinks she's pretty/smart/tough/endearing/cool, she has zero flaws, everyone on the show loves her, people in the audience generally want to kill her
In a fanfiction, she'd usually be the author's self-insert -- but in "professional" mediums (like TV shows or published books) she's generally put there so the author/show-writers/producers/etc can show everyone how awesome and perfect she is.
Ugh, yeah, I'm really calling "Mary Sue" on Haylen; only she's a little egotistical, which actually makes me like her because it's a flaw, and one that could turn out to be very interesting.
But the first episodes I saw Lindsay in, I pretty much wanted to strangle her the whole time because she was
so a Mary-Sue, too. Still is, really -- everyone on the team pretty much loves her, she's fairly awesome, she's never been yelled at (for something that's her fault), she often breaks the case, whenever she makes mistakes people on the show brush over it or forgive her easily. *gag* Wow, It really
is Anna Belknap that made me like the character at all :lol:, because it became obvious she was a little too aloof and damaged to really be
that perky or easy with people. And then of course they started writing in serious flaws for her
So when I saw her flaws and sympathized with them, it made me like her; and then by default appreciate the Lindsay awesomeness a lot more.
And "Stealing Home" is easily in my top-five favourite episodes.
Originally Posted by MissCandy:
Yeah, there were even more than one in the season, right? So far we got at least one a season (great continuity!), but in season 5 she did a couple of demonstrations. That's so her Lindsay Thing!
:lol: Oh, she has a few of those "Lindsay Things", imo (the weird demonstrations, her fascination with myths and the unrealistic), which have been fairly continuous. I just wish they'd follow up on those things! :scream: I'm remembering about three demonstrations from Season 5 (a tiny one in "Veritas", the one in "Forbidden Fruit", I think there might've been one in "Rush to Judgment"...). And then a couple in Season 4. We still have to see one this season!
Didn't see it yet, but I think it's also about the case (and I heard this one wasn't so good?), but a mention of her would be really nice. She just adds something special to the episodes. I don't even know how to call it. :lol: How about 'Lindsay Awesomeness'?
Lindsay Awesomeness works (I'm so coining that term, btw
). I mean, I generally prefer it when they give her character-specific moments in the episodes (and more preferably with someone else, someone she's not dating/married to), but I don't know, she's usually just cool just by being there. And then makes the episode cool.
Case? What case? I think I had a squee overdose. :guffaw: Sorry, just had to say that now. But I agree, there were some boring cases in some episodes, but somehow when she appeared on screen, it was getting much better because either she had a story to tell (like that fairytale) or she does a demonstration! And you learn a lot from them, too- I didn't know condom spray was invented by Germans. (Which makes me wonder why in the dubbed German version she didn't even say that...:wtf
.
Okay, I didn't know condom spray
existed :lol: Nor did I know about beans that existed which could change your taste buds (and notice how it's usually her who's bringing up the things that other characters didn't know existed?), or that myth for that flower that she talked about in "What Schemes May Come" (when she comes in rattling off the story with the little girl who cried tears of blood). She just makes discovering new things from this show so fun -- it's why I think she
had to have been a teacher (or at least a tutor) at some point in her life, because seriously. I know more than a few teachers who could easily take pointers.
And in episodes that are already a little on the dull side (like, with the exception of the Flack section when Sam was introduced, I was pretty bored by "Veritas"), it makes them so much better. We need another demonstration, ay-sap!
Yep, my shipper reasons for disliking it aside, I agree, that was another reason. At the beginning she was going back to the way she was in season 2, which was wonderful to see after the angst she got in season 3. So I don't really get why all that unnecessary drama had to be thrown in and then had to go totally over the top...but that belongs in other threads I think. Anyway, my point is, I enjoyed the way she was in early season 4, and the way she interacted with everyone was very great.
See, I don't think I'd have minded the S4 drama even a tenth as much if it wasn't the
only thing we got to hear about for the entire last part of Season 4 (except for Mac's growing anger about the Cabbie Killer, which wasn't much fun either). As far as angsty nonsensical drama went, it was well played. I could easily see both sides and sympathize with both...I just don't understand why Lindsay had to completely lose all the progress she'd made in forming other personal connections at the beginning of S4, simply because things were going to hell with Danny. (Or for that matter, why Danny's grief suddenly paled in comparison to the DL drama.) Characteristically, yeah, it made sense (I find it a little eerie how dependent on him she is to feel happy), but it could have worked just as easily if tptb had shown her trying to lean on one of the other characters. It was frustrating, to say the least.
Actually, I think that's why the Mac/Lindsay moment from "LWFM" is very much my favourite of theirs; because it's the closest they came to showing that. Only with Lindsay's characteristic leave-me-alone-I'm-fine thing, and Mac being all about the job, it's so natural that it just didn't work out :lol: If they'd done it with another character aside from Mac; like Hawkes (who already seemed to know a little about it, and gotten close to Lindsay about it -- how else would he know to say "sorry" when she mentioned she hadn't heard "Montana" in a while?
Which was another very cute and favourite interaction of theirs, btw, the implications of "Montana" notwithstanding); I think I could have felt better about the whole thing.
So agree with you, they had an interesting and cute chemistry. I really wonder how they would have continued that- would they have brought them together, or let them start something or so? That's an interesting thing to discuss actually... Oh yummy. Great, now you but some thoughts into my mind. LOL
Originally Posted by carminelove15:
I remeber that case, ya I thought he might have a crush on her, but who would not have a crush on Eva she's awsome. Lol have fun watching the episode
I'm really fond of that pairing now
Well, I haven't seen the episode yet, and Eva kind of treats Miles like a kid (in the episode I'm at right now, and the ones before), but I think she really cares about him, as a friend at least. And I still swear he has a crush on her. Seriously,
why did this show end?
