Horatio & Yelina #7: "So Much Unresolved Love" (we quote)

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thanks MD for remind us PG-13 line board rule- we will try to keep it. ;)

i agree that H/Y romantic real deal is so subtlety, delicate, tender etc. and when we play with some funny naughty scenarios for me is like... like i don`t talk for H and Yelina, but talk for things that we won`t see in Miami. wow if one thay one of this fantasy from yesterday come truth i`ll run away scary hehe

re Sofia Milos italian interview... ahhh i still feel sad for her, not only coz then back in the time she have some personal problems but also coz of the quick and rough way that Miami writers take ride off her character. i still can`t believe that after all that TPTB done to her she agree again to be part of this tv-show. not a lot people forget bad things. but i doubt that this monsters realize what mistake they have done. this tv show is not the same without her character, not the same H, not the same plot line or crime case. maybe somehow is good that she 'jump' this 2 last years from CSI Miami - i`m sure that her character in S 4-5 too will be destroy like the rest... even now i`m little afraid to not happen this in S6...

Hrockz hope u soon to feel better- to stop this morning sickness. ;) btw more two weeks and we are going to read ur 'Rio' review, this is cool :)

Kit said: Oh Pusher you're from Bulgaria. I didn't know that! I went to Bulgaria last summer for 12 days, Albena! It was awesome, well someone drugged me but besides that awesome!
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ahh yes i`m from Bulgaria...wow this is great that u had been in my country :D i`m glad to know that u like ur stay in Albena - this is one of the best seaside resort here. :)(btw if u want more drugs let me know :lol: ). i personally go in south part of Black sea - now with few friends we try to think out date for one week vacation hehehe ;) i think this summer ours country move to new continent from Europe to Africa :lol: (have to check the map again)

*on my way to jump in Lucy's fridge for more cold beer*
 
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Lucy, I think it was tongue in cheek too but I didn't really care, twas nice of them to get a mention :D Oh and, it's rather warm up in my end of the UK today, can I have a beer please? :D

I like the subtlness of H/Y, thats what makes it so appealing, it's every now and again we get these little glimpses into thier 'relationship' be it romantic or not. Truely a romantic pairing. *sigh*

Feel better Hrockz. :D

Ok so you gals know i'm pretty new to H/Y and Miami in general, so what happened with Sofia Mills and TPTB?
 
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It wasn't a mistake removing her for a season it was a mistake the way they told Sofia Milos..
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I have to respectfully disagree. I think both were errors of judgement (and very disrespectful to the fans, Sofia and Yelina's character). Putting it in context, how would we all feel now if we found out that we weren't going to see Sofia/Yelina on the show again until September 2008, and even that wasn't guaranteed? That is how many of us felt 2 years ago. We were just left in limbo.
 
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I just saw BB the other day. I think the reason why H never crossed the line with Yelina was because she was his brothers wife.. Didn't matter that the man was dead(so we thought). He felt an obligation. I think if he'd gotten past that well...............you just never know. I still don't like how they did 10-7. That was a very rushed job. That ep was the biggest disappointment of S3 for me & the beginning of downfall for S4. Hope this made sense. On that note. New wp. Hope ya like.

 
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Kat, I saw BB the other day too, I still think he feels that now, it's his brothers wife. She always will be in his head I think, but he needs to get over that as hard as it might be. *sigh* Pllllease Horatio.

Lovely WP. :D That reminds me, I made my first H/Y icon yesterday...
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I've started reading your fic Hrockz, absolutly loving it! :D They just, erm...'consumated' thier relationship. :D Can't wait to read more.
 
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Wow love the icon!

Anyway I just watched a part of epi "The Score". Marisol mentions she cooks a mean Ropa Vieja. GOD that pissed me off so hard , cause in episode Simple Man, Horatio brings the exact same thing to Yelina's house. *sobs* It pissed me off because Yelina should be making H' favorite dinner and not Marisol.. :(
 
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Anyway I just watched a part of epi "The Score". Marisol mentions she cooks a mean Ropa Vieja.
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Big URGH! I think they put that in there JUST to piss us guys off. I'm busy reading Hrockz fic, and Yelina always cooks that so that gave me some comfort lol.

Glad ya like the icon Kit.
 
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Putting it in context, how would we all feel now if we found out that we weren't going to see Sofia/Yelina on the show again until September 2008, and even that wasn't guaranteed? That is how many of us felt 2 years ago. We were just left in limbo.
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That's a very good point. I guess you had to be there to know how it felt. I know a few of us were pretty shell shocked at the time, and we are still hugely disappointed with what has happened to this show since. Still, as one door closes, another one opens and for that we are very grateful. :)

Thanks for the wallpaper Katpin. Very nice. :D
 
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Still, as one door closes, another one opens and for that we are very grateful.
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ahhh i think that all this doors make us go in vicious circle like H/Y one ;) i`m wonder who will become first tired Yelina or we her fans :rolleyes:

great ico Ams - love the hands p**n comment, what about for one new with 'eyesex' part in it :devil: and thanks for this lovely wp Katpin :)
 
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Pusher said:
(btw if u want more drugs let me know :lol: ).
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Mm no thanks. Someone stabbed a needle in my arm (luckily not in a vein) @ disco. The days after I thought I was going retarted since I had some amnesia :lol: I'm prone to bad luck .. you should hear my stories lol.

Gonna work on some H/y animated icons :D
 
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SwanSwan_H said:

I have to respectfully disagree. I think both were errors of judgement (and very disrespectful to the fans, Sofia and Yelina's character). Putting it in context, how would we all feel now if we found out that we weren't going to see Sofia/Yelina on the show again until September 2008, and even that wasn't guaranteed? That is how many of us felt 2 years ago. We were just left in limbo.
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Totally with you on this score, Swanny. Think it's timely to post excerpts (awfully glad I saved the whole post!) from G's post on this issue from that summer when this damnable travesty occured.

G's discourse is still brilliantly relevant and should serve as a mind cleansing epiphany and a stark reminder of the realities of this untenable situation, no matter the window dressing. Lest we delude ourselevs, we have the same people in charge during THAT summer and the same people in charge THIS summer...

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Salvo 1:
Whether it is a movie, a television cartoon or a dramatic series, it is the Canon that guides and outlines the parameters and terms of reference for the development of the story arcs, the characters and the overall dynamic. The Canon is not a stagnant bureaucracy but a vital and charismatic vanguard for the creative advancement of the show; however, the Canon can never lose sight that its premise and foundation remain steadfastly rooted to established principles. The singular craft here is having the professional wit to know how and when to tweak the Canon dynamics to achieve sustained and intended effect but without compromising the Canon’s fundamental tenets. The Canon is the show’s indisputable pilot, scout, trailblazer, rudder and safeguard.

Over this past summer and into Season 4, it has become painfully apparent that Those-Who-Should-Be-Ashamed, have not the perspicacity required to cognize the paramount significance of the Canon to its show. Three years of heartening Miami Canon-verse put to the sword in one moment of calculative bloodied madness with even the groundwork on which it stood salted for added measure.

Then to add insult to injury, the audio commentaries in the Season 3 DVD reveal that the (alleged) last minute resurrection of Raymond Caine had the writing staff scrambling as they tried to remember the story arc that was Raymond. Unbelievable. Next to Horatio, Raymond is (or was) the next central cohesive Canon character. To have its very creators unable to recall the Raymond Canon-verse is a damning admission of slothful negligence unworthy of the Canon characters, the actors and the viewership. For shame.


Salvo 2:
As it stands, Seasons 1 – 3 comprised the Original Canon. Then we move to Season 4, and are assailed with an offering of a second or pseudo-canon. Without any fear of repudiation, it can be said that the new purported second canon for Season 4 and perhaps seasons thereafter, has been a tawdry attempt at Frankensteinization of the Original Canon of Seasons 1 – 3. In other words, there is no doubt that Horatio Caine is being subjected to a vacuous “do-over” to appeal to the lowest common denominator. To be more precise, the “Professional Horatio” is essentially status quo but “Personal Horatio” is being re-created in thought, word and deed. Although a caveat is in order, as this “personal” re-configuration could well engender a rippling effect and thus wash over and through the rest of Horatio like so much collateral damage.

In THEIR minds and by THEIR self-admission, at the end of Season 3, the Canon for “Personal Horatio” had reached an alleged creative impasse. Truth of the matter would seem, that THEY were unable to summon sufficient creative wit to minister the complex Canon storyarcs & plot devices, which THEY created but had grossly mismanaged throughout most of Seasons 2 and 3, ostensibly through poor characterization, even weaker story telling and an impoverished comprehension of storyboarding.

But even despite THEIR self-fettered myopia albeit with occasional flashes of scenes worthy of the Canon characters, the Canon flourished and evolved, due in no small part to the actors abilities to infuse their respective characters with entirely credible purpose, intent and integrity. Out of the paltry snippets that were offered to the Canon characters, emerged a richly arrayed and emotive tapestry depicting both zenith and nadir of these characters renditions of their Human Condition. Without a doubt, those that have a discerning understanding and appreciation of the Miami Canon-verse of Seasons 1 – 3, will be able to quote verbatim episodes, scenes and dialogue upon which this tapestry was so painstakingly weaved.

At the end of Season 3, we were stranded, excruciatingly poised on an enthralling Canon precipice with all the endless permutations and possibilities for Season 4 looming but still shrouded in obscurity. Only to have it all ignominiously unravel due to a creative dry rot of Brobdingnagian proportions, a Lilliputian grasp of the obvious including the faithfully nurtured Canon and an utterly unconscionable disregard for and abject betrayal of the regular Miami viewership and indeed of the Canon characters and their actors. So based upon this platform of staggering inadequacy, THEY shunned the challenge of sustaining and enhancing the finesse of the Original Canon in all its exquisite subtleties of the complicated in lieu of the ratings-safe, low-risk investment, uninspiring and lukewarm embrace of the mediocre. A reprehensible abdication it must be said."

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So Say We All.....
 
Re: Horatio & Yelina #7 - "So Much Unresolved Love" (we quot

Wow, that was alot to read, and I can't say I understood it all completely. I can summarise that you're saying tptb screwed up, yup we all agree they did. I don't really think they can ever get the show back on track like in s1-3 but they can salvage it, espeically if they bring Y back and fix the 'Personal Horatio'.

I forgot to mention yesterday that when Marisol invited H to her place for dinner, he was relucntant and she asked if it was cos she was Eric's sister, and he replied it was part of the reason. I was thinking the other part would be that he's still not over Yelina, and he knew that. I just hink H was too nice to say no, espcially since she was so insistent.

Thanks Pusher, I don't mean to sound egoistic but I'm wanna read and am looking forward to my review of 'Rio'. :lol:

Glad you're liking the fic Ams. and I like the icon you made.

Another fic update:
http://talk.csifiles.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1234605&page=0&vc=#Post1234605
 
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Hrockz said:
Wow, that was alot to read, and I can't say I understood it all completely. I can summarise that you're saying tptb screwed up....
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Actually it's so very, very much more than that. BTW, not me but G. G's post IS a brutally honest summary of tptb's litany of sins; it's all in the exquisite nuances of his summarization. One savors not just the maturity of his insight but the literary manifestation of this insight. Yes. Maturity of thought and expression.
 
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err .... who is G ?! :rolleyes:

and can someone translate it with more simple words. thanks in advance ;)
 
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Pusher said:
err .... who is G ?!
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Someone who used to post in Miami and H/Y thraeds some time ago. Those of us who've been around this Board a little longer, knew him. He was a huge SM supporter and was pretty disgusted about her treatment by tptb so he swore off Miami and we've not seen him since. Our loss.

Hmm, translation, eh? Tell ya what I'll PM you just so we don't take up thread space. One thing's for sure, G does seem to subscribe to the "why describe in 1 word when you can use 6 or 7 adjectives!". :)
 
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