Double Standards?

no_pulse

Victim
I can't help but feel bad for Ryan. I mean he "tampers" with evidence to selflessly SAVE A CHILDS LIFE, but then Delko and Calleigh are upset of what he did, and look at him with digust.

Yet if I'm not mistaken Delko was purchasing marijuana to help his sister and and more recently helped his father evade a police raid. And Calleigh has helped her father out of certain circumstances. Yet for some reason its seems what Delko and Calleigh have done is justified and what Ryan has done is not.
 
First of all, I just want to say that I don't believe there was disgust on Calleigh's face. I think it was more disappointment than digust. But, that's just my personal take on it. :)

I think what Ryan did for Billy was justified to the audience (because we know why he did it), but Cal and Eric did not know the circumstances, so they could not understand why he did it. I'm sure they would have felt differently if they had known that Ryan did what he did in an effort to save a little boy's life, let alone a little boy who was the son of his best friend/sponsor.

As for Eric in the season finale, we don't know for sure what the circumstances were. It's possible that Eric was forced to be driving that car. However, if he is helping his dad (say because his dad's life has been threatened) then I hope this is something that Eric and Ryan can bond over (the similiarities in the two situations I mean- someone they care about being in danger)... that is if Eric even knows by now why Ryan did what he did.... which he almost has to because they've been getting along and even joking with each other acting like nothing ever happened... so that says to me that Eric and Cal both know the circumstances now (H probably told them to keep the peace lol)... and if they know them, then they probably understand his actions much better and don't fault him for it. They probably feel like they'd do virtually the same thing in that situation. They probably realize that Ryan was caught (excuse the cliche) between a rock and a hard place.
 
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no_pulse, the most thing i was angree in Eric and Calleigh is they don't wanna know reasons. They didn't ask, they don't wanna hear anything, they saw on side of medal and make their decision on that. And i hate (really hate) how other fans start hating Ryan and say many rude words about him because of this and don't wanna understand that he did it for Billy, he saved his life.

And i'm very upset when people says "this boy better be dead and then this "hero" come to jail":(
 
I can't help but feel bad for Ryan. I mean he "tampers" with evidence to selflessly SAVE A CHILDS LIFE, but then Delko and Calleigh are upset of what he did, and look at him with digust.

Yet if I'm not mistaken Delko was purchasing marijuana to help his sister and and more recently helped his father evade a police raid. And Calleigh has helped her father out of certain circumstances. Yet for some reason its seems what Delko and Calleigh have done is justified and what Ryan has done is not.
You know this topic is quite interesting since we've been talking about it for a while and yeah it indeed looks like we're looking at two standars. ;)

Whenever Ryan does something wrong, he's always the first one to pay for his consequences. But then again, he was the one who gambled, he was the one who tempared with evidenced to save a child w/o telling anyone about it. Let's not forget that both Delko and Calleigh didn't know anything. Though, I'm pretty sure that a certain point they didn't even care about Ryan, but that's another story :shifty:.

As for Calleigh I'm not trying to defend her, but she indeed got suspended and more than once even b/c of other people fault. I mean she was taken off b/c of a cheat sheet which wasn't hers and she also had to retake her proficiencies b/c of it.
She also got suspended when she shot the man in "Stand Your Ground". But, there's always a but, she could easily go to visit Alexx in the morgue right when she was examining the victim of her case, she could easily tell Jake Berkley he was a liar and maybe even accuse him of drinking too much.

To me, this is only bad writing. The idea of making her drink and making her drive and even make her shoot was quite good (even if completely out of character), but the outcomes weren't good at all. Because she came back to work as if anything happened here issue wasn't discussed at all. I'm not saying that she's an alcoholic, all I'm saying is that she couldn't even drive (she managed to walk out of that bar) and she absolutely should have shot, not matter how critical the situation was.

The only person I would kinda blame for this difference in standards between Ryan and the other is Delko. He's the only one who has never faced the consequences of his actions. He was shot and he got back to work w/ not tutor or anyone else to help him. He's still suffering from his injury, but he has never recieved the proper help. He already changed 2 shrinks and he even read the files of one of them.
As for the season finale, we don't know the real reason why Eric decided to help his father (no matter how they'll explain me this episode, I'll always say that he helped his father), still I think that what he did wasn't completely legal or good and yeah he should pay the consquences of his actions.

Delko has been taken off a case, but yep it was pretty obvious that he had to be taken off it. Yeah I do think that if H hadn't taken Delko off that case, fans would have been ready to kill TPTB ;)

Once they'll show the audience that even Delko (Horatio's brother-in-law) can face the consequences of his actions, I do think that people will start sense less and less differences in standards between Delko and Ryan.

I do think that this is the real problem and TPTB don't seem too able to solve it.
Ok that Delko is Horatio's brother-in-law, but I find it extremely weird that he has always a justification for his actions and that someone else has to pay for them :p

So, my point is that anyone in the lab committed bad actions, if not crimes, but it always seems that whoever has a great bonding with H (Delko, in particular since H is always ready to defend him, not matter what) won't have to face the consquences of them.
Again, this is bad writing ;)
 
My theory is that because Ryan often does things that get himself in trouble, People will be more quickly to look down on him instead of hearing why he did it because of his checkered habits.

I guess its how people often treat the black sheep of their families
 
From a human point of view, I must admit that I do not appreciate the double standards of H. for Wolfe and Delko. Wolfe does things, which are -as a matter of fact - not realy 'horrible'. We do not know a lot about the 'gambling thing': Was he playing poker every night of the week and had some mandate on his paycheck? I do not think so, since he seemed quite capable to paying back Lennon his 10.000 US without complaining to anybody about being short of money or something. There are many people who gamble occasionally and also for money without being addict and I have the feeling he falls into exactly this category, but probably someone in the Lab (I still think it was H.) put a rather long knife to his throat.

As of now, all that I can state is that Wolfe takes all his "slaps in the face" like a man and head held high. He's not what I would call a "soft character", but probably his own worst enemy, setting rather high standards. And 7:20....well, he tampered with the evidence but he was in a desperate situation and nobody could blame him. It was about the life of a child he cared for (very much, as far as I could see from other episodes) and he did not give in to that Russian mobster to spare himself physical pain....he only gave in when the guy menaced Billy Gantry and explained to Ryan, that he'd do to the child what he'd done to him.....considering the fact that this was quite a lot (I still wonder how he managed to go to work that day and rush up 30 stairs instead of using an elevator).....which normal human being -even more a cop who has sworn to serve and protect-would deny his tormentor cooperation.

The one person who up to now never paid for the consequences of his acts -other Horatio himself - is Delko....and I still wonder, how H. made Stetler swallow their little vengeance trip to Rio (foreign country-legal problems etc.) without consequences, if Stetler does not hesitate to break Ryan ...just for a mistake in protocol (meaning that the guy simply made a wrong professional move....no criminal offence etc. here)
 
no_pulse, the most thing i was angree in Eric and Calleigh is they don't wanna know reasons. They didn't ask, they don't wanna hear anything, they saw on side of medal and make their decision on that. And i hate (really hate) how other fans start hating Ryan and say many rude words about him because of this and don't wanna understand that he did it for Billy, he saved his life.

And i'm very upset when people says "this boy better be dead and then this "hero" come to jail":(

I think that it wasn't the characters' fault but the writers. The writer for this episode should've put in a forgiving part, because I know Eric and Calleigh don't hate him or anything of the sort and I'm sure they understood. And it wasn't like they didn't want to know what happened, it's just that the 'forgiving, understanding' part was left out by the writers. I think we're supposed to assume that they did make-up, even Eric, he forgave him for what happened before.

Secondly, about fans hating Ryan, although it's their choice to, but I feel sorry for him in that epi. Ryan is truely a hero and deserves to be praised for it.
 
I believe that what Ryan did was totally justified. Anything he did wrong in 'Wolfe in Sheep's Clothing' should have been either brushed off like it never happened, or he should've been given a medal. He was being blackmailed, after being tortured, and he still managed to come to work, solve the case while he was tampering with it, he saved the evidence, he saved the boy's life and what does he get in return? H seemed like he didn't want anything to do with him, Delko obviously blamed him for fixing the case without even asking the reason (because Ryan would obviously just go out of his way to fix a case simply because he's a horrible person) and Calleigh just went along with her bf, although the sympathetic look she gave Ryan suggested she knew the Eric wasn't being fair! Can anyone give the poor guy a break?
ps, I don't think he ever actually recieved any medical treatment for the torture. Any1 know?
 
I don't agree about H. I think at first H was like "you tampered with evidence", but then the situation was explained to Horatio and he seemed to understand after that. Besides given that Horatio has done similiar things for similiar reasons, I think he can understand Ryan's situation. I think Horatio was more disappointed that Ryan didn't immediately come to him for help, but at the same time he understood why Ryan felt that wouldn't work because those guys had eyes and ears on him and could have easily found out and killed the boy.
 
I don't agree about H. I think at first H was like "you tampered with evidence", but then the situation was explained to Horatio and he seemed to understand after that. Besides given that Horatio has done similiar things for similiar reasons, I think he can understand Ryan's situation. I think Horatio was more disappointed that Ryan didn't immediately come to him for help, but at the same time he understood why Ryan felt that wouldn't work because those guys had eyes and ears on him and could have easily found out and killed the boy.

I agree GNRF, but i also think that thre reason Horatio come down so hard on Ryan is because he sees a young version of himself and dosen't want Ryan to make the same mistakes he did.
 
This is a pretty interesting topic and one that goes through my mind, at times, when watching certain episodes.

IMO, there is a double standard playing out. Ryan never seems to get the benefit of the doubt when push comes to shove. Granted, especially in WISC, we as the audience did know more what was going on than Calleigh and Eric, as I stated in another thread, the writing is a lot to blame. As Florry stated, everyone in the lab as done things (maybe with the exception of Natalia) that could have gotten them in a considerable of amount of trouble, but Ryan's deeds seem to be the only ones anyone seems to remember. And I agree with Griffon, Ryan seems to take his licks like a man.

Until the playing field levels out and someone else (namely Eric) takes the consequences of his actions, it will seem like a double standard is in place.

I agree with everyone that Ryan was right in doing what he did in WISC. He wasn't about to tamper with any evidence until Billy was threatened and he seemed to only delay the solving of the case and not derail it. Even the planted fingerprint, more damning, actually aided in putting the gun in the right person's hand. As far as I am concerned, being the good person he is, Ryan felt he had no other choice in the matter. The life of a small boy was worth his career. If that isn't a hero, I don't know what one is.
 
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