Debate/Dislike a Ship Thread -- CSI:Crime Scene Investigation, Part 2

[happyharper13]

We've reached over 50 pages over on the old debate, so time for a new thread.

Previous thread can be found here.

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First things first. Here are a few of the Shipper Central Rules (the complete list can be found here,) that specifically apply to this thread (all threads but I want to make them part of the rules for this thread).

~ Shipper Central is designed to be a FUN place for people to discuss their favorite FICTIONAL pairings. Shipping is NOT life or death - it's fun AND it's fiction. So, let's please not take things so seriously. If someone doesn't like your chosen pairing, SO WHAT? You do and that's all that should matter.

~ We expect EVERYONE to have RESPECT for the other posters in this forum and their ships. Treat other ships the way you want everyone to treat your ships.

~ To quote TBonz - "Insulting couples (characters) and/or real life actors: DON'T. If you don't like a ship and feel compelled to say why, do it dispassionately and with respect for those who might."

~ It is NEVER appropriate to flame or bash another poster or group of posters. Negative comments and snide remarks towards others will not be tolerated in this forum.

~ If someone flames you, DO NOT respond. Notify a moderator and walk away.

~ DO NOT bring arguments/problems from outside this board into the forum. No exceptions.

Now for the new rules for this thread:

~ This is a debate thread. Debate until your heart's content.

~ There will be NO discussion about couple A being right and couple B being wrong. Stick to what you like and don't like about certain ships. Everybody has a right to ship who they want.

~ There will be NO discussion that couple A or character A cannot be gay since again, everybody has a right to ship who they want. You can say you don't see them as gay and debate why that is, but you cannot flat out say they are not gay.

~ When discussing slash pairings, it IS possible the discussion could center around one or both characters as to why you do or do not think they are gay. This IS allowed. It's practically impossible for the discussion not to turn that way when discussing a slash pairing but please, stick to the topic on hand.

~ This thread is to discuss which ships you do and do not like and why and also to debate with others why you/they do or do not like them and it doesn't matter if they are canon or not. ANY combination of ships is fine as long it stays within the three CSI shows.

Also, the three line rule does not apply to debate threads but it must stay on topic. It is limited to the actual ship threads themselves.

Have fun and play nice!

If anybody feels I have left something out, please let me know. Thanks.

We were previously discussing Wedges and how much of a factor rules play in preventing characters from hooking up. As much as I dislike Wedges, I loved the way Catherine encouraged Hodges (or rather 'his hypothetical friend') to pursue the relationship because life is too short. Of course, I read that as a Yo!Bling moment with Catherine regretting not having done the same with Warrick when she had the chance.

 

[electra]

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I hate Hodges and Wendy together becouse it's a disservice to Wendy.She is so full of life and charming that is not fair.Hodges makes me laugh with his comments but he is not ready for a relationship.

Why CSI always goes for the couples that I don't like?:scream:

 

[Kasey47]

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I agree that Catherine saying that life is too short to Hodges was her thinking about Warrick and what might have been.

I do like Hodges and Wendy together but I really don't want another angst fill will they or won't they ride. There are certain times when art just really doesn't need to imitate life.

 

[lexxy_willows]

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I think what Catherine said to Hodges was a reference to Gil, not Warrick, but moving on.

I love Wedges. I think that they bring out sides of each other that would probably never be seen otherwise. I was watching Lab Rats the other day, and they were cute and funny, while being serious at the same time. And while I feel that making them a couple on screen would probably take away from the show a bit, I wouldn't mind maybe a passing reference to something that might have occurred between them.

 

[love_fan]

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I hate Hodges and Wendy together

becouse it's a disservice to Wendy.She is so full of life and charming that is not fair.Hodges makes me laugh with his comments but he is not ready for a relationship.

Why CSI always goes for the couples that I don't like?:scream:

I couldn't agree more :thumbsup:! Wendy is just too good for him!!!

I'm at a point where I don't want to see any couple on CSI. GSR was bad enough rolleyes and what I know about NY and Miami - which is not much - just supports that opinion. TPTB are just not capable of handling a relationship well. I know it's television and there has to be some drama but still ... :wtf:.

If they were able to come up with a plausible couple (and they so had the change with Yo!Bling!) that wouldn't go through too much drama I'd be delighted to watch it. But I know that will never happen (at least not for me).


Besides, the reason why I started watching CSI in the first place was that they didn't put any emphasize on romance and didn't pair off the characters with each other.

 

[Kimbo08]

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Holy cow! I agree with everything you said love_fan. I enjoy it without any romantic pairings. There weren't any romantic pairings on CSI towards the end of the season and I enjoyed it so much more. I also originally started watching the show becuase of the forensic aspect of the show. I know not everyone is like that, but all I know is that all most romantic couplings do is cause problems not only on the show but on the boards as well(Which I think is pathetic because afterall, it's just a show ). So to keep the peace, and to stay away from the soap opera-like tendencies I know TPTB lean towards, I really, really, hope they keep the romantics to a minimum.

 

[electra]

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I like romance on CSI miami and New York(Flack and Angell) but for vegas I prefer when it stick to the cases or personal development of the characters.If a show give us a episodes so good like grave danger and the friendships of Catherine and Grissom or Warrick and nick,nothing more is needed.

 

[SA_Kate_937]

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I'm sorry to disagree with basically everyone here.

But I honestly think that GSR was a highly plausible couple and that TPTB handled it extremely well.

Although, I'm an absolute GSR nut and might end up marrying a geek-type myself.

 

[Desertwind]

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I'm sorry to disagree with basically everyone here.

But I honestly think that GSR was a highly plausible couple and that TPTB handled it extremely well.

Although, I'm an absolute GSR nut and might end up marrying a geek-type myself.

I totally agreee, a little romance spices up the show, and adds electricity. These are fictional characters, but just straight DNA and death and serial killers, etc. is great, and exciting, but their not robots and this particular couple have been enamored with one another, since the onset, and the viewers have watched this relationship blossom and bloom to the culmination ot them finally being together forever and the writers rock for letting this happen~

 

[Shytownmofo]

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Pulled from the Season 10 Spoiler thread with regards to GSR, and whether or not Grissom had anything going with Terri Miller, Lady Heather, or anyone else....

Even if he was pining for Sara secretly, he didn't actually go there until sometime in Season 5 or 6. That leaves plenty of room for him to have a fling with someone, even if it doesn't work out. No matter how tightly bolted together you are, the heart is the heart, and hormones are hormones, and you will get with someone if things work out that way.Grissom's sentimental interest for Sara began before that. Remember Butterflied (4x12), that last confession. And even I think there was it in 1x02. And even before, remind that pic posted by desertwind, the San Francisco's one. Remember what Grissom answered to Ecklie when he asked "Since when you two are involved?". Grissom: "Nine years ago" (8x02). He was pining for Sara since San Francisco.

Does that mean that Grissom is not human? The point I was trying to make is just because someone has feelings for someone, that doesn't mean they can't be with or have a relationship, even if it's purely physical, or doesn't leave the flirting/attraction stage, with someone else. If your take is true across the board, then no one would ever cheat on their Significant Other.

Just because he was pining for Sara, that doesn't mean that he couldn't have slept with Lady Heather; or anyone else. He certainly was trying to get involved with Terri Miller, and he actually took one of the Lab Techs out on a date in Season 1.

I think he did have some significant feelings for Sara, even though he felt he couldn't act on them, and needed time to clarify them, which he did with Butterflied Notice he told Sara that nothing could ever happen between them in Season 3. Obviously between then and Season 5-6, he came to terms with his feelings and chose to act on them.

I actually do see Grissom and Sara as a plausible couple, I just have had some issues with how it was implemented and revealed, and how it was handled. It seemed to become a large focus of the show, IMO, and I think there were several storylines that got neglected, Like Warrick and Tina, and Nick's recovery from getting kidnapped.

I think a little romance Does Spice up the show, and makes a good change of pace, especially since it's a chore to balance a personal life and being a CSI/Detective/Lab Tech. However, I think it needs to be handled carefully, or else it gets heavy handed, IMO.

 

[Desertwind]

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On Grissom sleeping with anyone else he stated in "ENDING HAPPY" Sex without love makes one sad and Sara goes "I don't think I make you sad" and he replies "NO, you make me happy his words, and if he did, it must not have been that great, because nothing ever became of itplus he announced to the whole team in '"DEAD DOLL" on Ernie and psycho Natalie, "I took away the only thing she ever loved, AND NOW SHE'S DOING THE SAME THING TO ME just a collection of many words uttered by Grissom:bolian:and his relationship with Sara~

 

[Adzix]

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i agree with most what Shytownmofo just said. except i think GSR was actually handled in a good way.

but yeah, it's obvious Grissom wasn't all about Sara from the beginning. i think his feelings grew throughout the years. he was fond of her since they met (which is why he said it *started* 9 years ago) but it wasn't until Season 4 that he gave any indication to the outer world that she could mean something more to him than just someone he is attracted to. they got together and that's when i think the real transformation began for Grissom. he learned not only to be fond of someone or be attracted to her, but to actually love. the moment between them in Way To Go might be an actual realization on his part that he loves Sara.

 

[Speedystokesgirl]

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On Grissom sleeping with anyone else he stated in "ENDING HAPPY" Sex without love makes one sad and Sara goes "I don't think I make you sad" and he replies "NO, you make me happy his words, and if he did, it must not have been that great, because nothing ever became of itplus he announced to the whole team in '"DEAD DOLL" on Ernie and psycho Natalie, "I took away the only thing she ever loved, AND NOW SHE'S DOING THE SAME THING TO ME just a collection of many words uttered by Grissom:bolian:and his relationship with Sara~

Just because he said Sex without love makes one sad, doesn't mean he hasn't had one night stands. I do believe he has slept with Lady Heather, there is that one scene "Lady Heather's Box" where he caresses her face and he says "you can always say stop" and she responds "so could you". If that wasn't a percursor to a kiss and sex, I don't know what is. Not to mention, they had tea before they both started their night work.

There is an attraction between Grissom and Lady Heather and you can't deny that. You can be attracted to more than one person at a time. It doesn't matter what he has said to Sara, that doesn't mean he isn't attracted to Lady Heather.

I, also, think something happened in "Leave Out All the Rest", but I have some doubts on that one. Basically, on the fence about it.

I think Lady Heather would have been a great love interest for Grissom. I think she and Catherine, for that matter, truly knows Grissom. Sometimes I think better than he knows himself.

I felt chemistry with him and Lady Heather, even Terry Miller, that I don't feel with him and Sara. To me that relationship makes no sense.

 

[Shytownmofo]

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On Grissom sleeping with anyone else he stated in "ENDING HAPPY" Sex without love makes one sad and Sara goes "I don't think I make you sad" and he replies "NO, you make me happy his words, and if he did, it must not have been that great, because nothing ever became of itplus he announced to the whole team in '"DEAD DOLL" on Ernie and psycho Natalie, "I took away the only thing she ever loved, AND NOW SHE'S DOING THE SAME THING TO ME just a collection of many words uttered by Grissom:bolian:and his relationship with Sara~

So you think Grissom was a virgin before he got with Sara? That's highly implausible....

 

[Drumchik]

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So you think Grissom was a virgin before he got with Sara? That's highly implausible....

That made me laugh too hard. ROFL :lol: