CSI missing its flair?

[Speedystokesgirl]

Re: CSI missing its flair

On Ray "beating" up someone, if you're refering to "Blood Moon" when he held the guy down with his cane, he didn't beat him up. with Nick's approval, who's his superior who was fending off his buddies, and on disobeying orders hunting down the serial killer on his own, and did get busted, and Cath sent him home and he went home. Then Nick came by to tell him "we're a team" and conforted him then Greg and Sara came by with food. Everyone one has faults of course, I basically was talking about how he blends/meshes and bonds with his co-workers, which he does.

He also got rough with a suspect in Mascara and with the doctor in Irradiator

Those are it, couldn't remember.

 

[Desertwind]

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On Ray "beating" up someone, if you're refering to "Blood Moon" when he held the guy down with his cane, he didn't beat him up. with Nick's approval, who's his superior who was fending off his buddies, and on disobeying orders hunting down the serial killer on his own, and did get busted, and Cath sent him home and he went home. Then Nick came by to tell him "we're a team" and conforted him then Greg and Sara came by with food. Everyone one has faults of course, I basically was talking about how he blends/meshes and bonds with his co-workers, which he does.

He also got rough with a suspect in Mascara and with the doctor in Irradiator

Yes he did, but never beat them up and he calmed down, I am still talking about the team, not the perp. He does get angry when he's lied to or confronted like Grissom, he got ticked off too, the pedophile, with the two little boys. he got really mad, and also screamed at Natalie Davis, in the interogation room:shifty: and many other occurences in his 9 years. Ray did get physical, but that's because of the circumstances surrounding the issue at the time~

 

[PraetorCorvinus]

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I'm gonna go with 'no' for this question.

As others have said, Grissom was unique. What Petersen did with the character would be extremely hard to duplicate.

And yes, the show has lost it's original flair. It's got something else now, but what it is depends on who's viewing. Art (in this case performing) is subjective after all, and everybody will take something different away from it.

 

[vegaslights]

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On Ray "beating" up someone, if you're refering to "Blood Moon" when he held the guy down with his cane, he didn't beat him up. with Nick's approval, who's his superior who was fending off his buddies, and on disobeying orders hunting down the serial killer on his own, and did get busted, and Cath sent him home and he went home. Then Nick came by to tell him "we're a team" and conforted him then Greg and Sara came by with food. Everyone one has faults of course, I basically was talking about how he blends/meshes and bonds with his co-workers, which he does.

He also got rough with a suspect in Mascara and with the doctor in Irradiator

That's exactly the episode I was thinking of, but thank you, Desertwind for reminding me he did it several other times.

 

[Speedystokesgirl]

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On Ray "beating" up someone, if you're refering to "Blood Moon" when he held the guy down with his cane, he didn't beat him up. with Nick's approval, who's his superior who was fending off his buddies, and on disobeying orders hunting down the serial killer on his own, and did get busted, and Cath sent him home and he went home. Then Nick came by to tell him "we're a team" and conforted him then Greg and Sara came by with food. Everyone one has faults of course, I basically was talking about how he blends/meshes and bonds with his co-workers, which he does.

He also got rough with a suspect in Mascara and with the doctor in Irradiator

Yes he did, but never beat them up and he calmed down, I am still talking about the team, not the perp. He does get angry when he's lied to or confronted like Grissom, he got ticked off too, the pedophile, with the two little boys. he got really mad, and also screamed at Natalie Davis, in the interogation room:shifty: and many other occurences in his 9 years. Ray did get physical, but that's because of the circumstances surrounding the issue at the time~

The same with Grissom and Grissom never beat up any suspects. It wasn't in him and with Natalie, Sara's life was on the line. And even if I don't agree with it, it was his love who's life was in trouble.

He remained calm when confronting Nick's kidnapper.

Grissom rarely got ticked off when he was lied to or confronted. He didn't go off on everybody. Langston has a way shorter fuse than Grissom ever did.

Geez, you make Grissom sound like he did nothing, but go off on people, attacked them, treated them badly ALL THE TIME.

Sure he had his moments, they all have!

 

[vegaslights]

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Also, I just want to make it clear: I'm not bagging on or attacking Desertwind (but boy, we sure do have our differences! :lol. I am just genuinely confused on how your views have taken a complete 180 in regards to Billy/Grissom. I recall you being one of his most loyal supporters on the board (if not his biggest fan ).

There's a vast amount of differences between Grissom and Ray, and while I appreciate the way Ray was introduced at first, I can honestly say that he does not bring the same "flair" like Grissom did for 9 1/2 seasons.

 

[Desertwind]

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Also, I just want to make it clear: I'm not bagging on or attacking Desertwind (but boy, we sure do have our differences! :lol. I am just genuinely confused on how your views have taken a complete 360 in regards to Billy/Grissom. I recall you being one of his most loyal supporters on the board (if not his biggest fan ).

There's a vast amount of differences between Grissom and Ray, and while I appreciate the way Ray was introduced at first, I can honestly say that he does not bring the same "flair" like Grissom did for 9 1/2 seasons.

So true and everybody does have their strong opinions. I did love Grissom but I didn't know any better. He was brilliant in his own way, nobody like him but he's GONE and I don't hang on to someone who choose to leave this show, what's the point? And, when that's all you see, you get used to that type of behavior. Once again I repeated this several times. I was talking about the way Grissom treated his team/co-workers, [even Sara, he talked down to her many times]. vs Ray who never does that. Ray gets upset, yes but not with his co-workers. And on a short fuse, maybe, but his camraderie wtih the team is beguiling, that's a fact, not my opinion. I do think Ray has "flair" his prestigious aura is appealing, the way he delivers his lines so precise and perfect. And his dress style, he always looks like he just stepped off the fashion runway. And Grissom did offer him this job. so he saw I guess that's what Rays fans see. To each one's own and the old "different strokes" applies here it seems.

 

[DJRideout]

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I too chose no. Grissom, as others have stated, was a unique character portrayed by an extremely talented actor. Personally speaking, there's no replacing a character like that.

I think the struggles CSI is having is more so with the turnover of writers/producers/executives etc. We lost some of the classic CSI when people like Rambo, Goldfinger and Shankar left....just to name a few. Ones that played major roles in the actual development of the characters we see today.

Now I am not knocking the newer members of the staff, for they done decently thus far. It just took them a while to get the CSI writing feel. To understand each character and how to write for them.

Anyway, that is just my thoughts. But I am still looking for that "creative difference" that was spoken of just before this seasons premiere. :shifty:

 

[Geeno]

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At first I thought I accidentally clicked the Ray thread.

NO. But I still enjoy CSI. I think as long as Catherine and Nick are in. Grissom is irreplaceable and WP did an excellent job portraying Grissom.

 

[Speedystokesgirl]

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Once again I repeated this several times. I was talking about the way Grissom treated his team/co-workers, [even Sara, he talked down to her many times]. vs Ray who never does that.

Grissom was the boss and Ray is not. So you cannot compare how each one treats the team.

Besides Ray treats his co-workers and both his bosses as idiots, tells them what to do. If you ask me that's disrespectful.

Oh let's just face it, it's all tptb fault. :lol:

 

[ComicCollect_NL]

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I say no, also. Grissom was one of a kind and I don't think even if they have a character similar to him it would make a difference. Often it is not just the character but the actor that plays him. William Petersen is a huge reason Grissom worked. You can't replace him either.

And you can't just go and make a cloned copy of Grissom, it just wouldn't be right, and I can only see WP playing him

I would go with 'no' because no one could replace Grissom. I agree with Sharp and that it's Billy Petersen who made Grissom.

As others have said, Grissom was unique. What Petersen did with the character would be extremely hard to duplicate.

I too chose no. Grissom, as others have stated, was a unique character portrayed by an extremely talented actor. Personally speaking, there's no replacing a character like that.

Grissom is irreplaceable and WP did an excellent job portraying Grissom.

You all do have your point here. It depends on, who's playing the role of Grissom. If it would've been another actor, instead of William Peterson, Grissom could've turn out into another person.

WOW not at all, I hardly remember him, that was then and this is now. I feel that Laurence Fishburne is phenomenal and kicking a.. on CSI, his low-key cool, sweet, gentle deameanor has to me, brought the team to a higher level of calmness. And he's so smooth and classy. They've embraced him and him them. Actually their similiar in personailty. Not my opinion, but what the writers have delivered to the fans. He never gets angry at any of them where Grissom was always mad at one of them, I like that. The gruesomness is bad enough, so to see the team so in tune is a beautiful thing. And the stories are just as good as ever. For me if I was that disapointed, I wouldn't watch the show. there's so many to choose from now.

I didn't mean to say that's because of Larwence Fishburne, I even opposed against everyone, who wanted him to leave the show. May be, it's an adaption issue for me. I just need to get new used to the new era..... After all, that's what I do wanted to see.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that Grissom was constantly insulting and putting down Hodges, & Langston actually went with him to the "Dinosaur" exhibit, with him. Who's ever gone out with Hodges on a one to one? He tries really hard to understand him. That's kinda of refreshing too~

That's true. The difference between knowing somebody, and learn to know somebody is a new element.

Exactly, but he worked with PEOPLE, so he should have learned in 9 years how to deal with everyone, Ray's only been there 2-1/2 years, and no problems

Langston's a specialist in personality and behaviours. That's the way how he's introduced: understanding the behaviour, and the mind of the criminals. So, I wasn't surprised that he could adapt so quickly within the team, and that's a wel lthought element to intergrate him in the CSI team.

I think as long as Catherine and Nick are in.

That's another issue. Catherine's going to leave too. (Those episodes haven't landed yet, so sorry for speaking in future terms)

As mentioned earlier responding to a quote of Desertwind. I guess, it's an adaptation issue. I've just want to see some responses from some diehard fans to see whether it's a truly change, or, again.... it's something I need to get used to. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[Grissom rules]

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I also think that CSI has lost it's flair....The absence of Petersen has hurt the show from day one....I don't think that all these Grissom fans that left the show will ever return again no matter what happens....

 

[electra]

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I think this season has been really good but I still miss the old CSI.I like that the season finales were about an interesting case and not the life of a CSI in danger.And I agree that Grissom was unique.One of my all time favorite characters.

 

[PraetorCorvinus]

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I did love Grissom but I didn't know any better. He was brilliant in his own way, nobody like him but he's GONE and I don't hang on to someone who choose to leave this show, what's the point?

Why does it always sound like your no longer liking Grissom is in some way a punishment for Petersen leaving the show? Like his leaving was a deep betrayal or something? The man had the right to leave his job, just as all of us do.

 

[Speedystokesgirl]

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I did love Grissom but I didn't know any better. He was brilliant in his own way, nobody like him but he's GONE and I don't hang on to someone who choose to leave this show, what's the point?

Why does it always sound like your no longer liking Grissom is in some way a punishment for Petersen leaving the show? Like his leaving was a deep betrayal or something? The man had the right to leave his job, just as all of us do.

Yup, that's the way I see it.

I wish Petersen had stay, but what are you gonna do? Gil Grissom will always be one of my all time favorite TV characters.