I did meant litterally.....So thanks .....Mills harm principal did make sense and I agree. LOL...sitting on fence I need to remember that one- It will save me from spelling ambigious(?) :guffaw::guffaw::guffaw: Well when I was younger I through "you" could blame all this conflict on inlightment / education. How could anyone think or do like that once they had been inlighted or read "stuff" about the world.....but I got wise. Saudi Arabias upper - classes often educates themself in Uk or USA and stlll pratise IMO an feudal(?) ( ruler and servant) country with an terrible view on women. Look at former Yugoslavia. After years of regretting the 2. world war and the holocust. We see concentration camps once again. So how do we come together and live side by side??? I think Suliman the great of Turkey had all living side by side in his reign. What happened there?