Discussion in 'CSI: New York' started by Top41, Oct 26, 2012.
New episode tonight--give it a watch and share your thoughts below!
Okay first and formost Flack *so* needs a girlfriend. Love the Flack family. Their relationship actually reminds me of me and my grandma relationship.
I am not sure how to take Jo coming to Christine. However I found how Christine handled it was great. Poor Mac he just wants to be so strong. 'Strength is knowing when to reach out for help.'
I felt bad for Mac during the interview with the father when he said something about burying a empty casket, Lindsay looked back at Mac and I got the feeling he couldn't remember Claire.
Don and Sam are to cute as brother and sister. It is great to see their relationship come together after her struggle.
All in all I found this episode to be anther strong ep.
To be honest the case really didn't hold my interest. The personal stuff with Flack and Mac was what kept my attention. I loved the Flack family, although now not knowing anything about the mother is going to bug the hell out of me. I don't think Jo over stepped her bounds at all. She's second in command and she's obviously noticing things affecting his work. It needs to be addressed. I really liked Mac showing some other emotion than anger and indignation at the end. It's a good change to see that Super!Mac has some weaknesses.
Another B because of the personal stuff.
I know I haven't posted in eons, but I have to let this out like bad gas before it gets worse.
Screw you, Mac Taylor, you sanctimonious, hypocritical pillbag. You've treated Jo and Christine like ass, and it should come back to bite you, but because you're you, that won't happen. Once you issue your half-assed apology, everyone will lap it up and rush to assure you that you weren't a raging asscanoe, it's all fine fine. And threatening Jo like the cheap hoods at whom you so often sneer? Really? If this show was at all grounded in reality, then Jo would report your ass to the Brass at PP, but lalala, she'll just swallow it because you're Mac, and you can never really be wrong.
The rest of the episode was glorious. In truth, this whole season has been good to excellent thusfar, and I hope the trend continues.
I hope it's not a halfway apology...I'm trying to be hopeful it'll be a full one. But I do have visions of an intervention in my head LOL...they need to all come to him and say that they know and he can't hide it any more, they won't let him.
I'm not a fan of drawing it out, I wanted it done faster, the apologizing.
I just...no....I can't....! The heartwrenching feels are just far too many. And not in the way 'Indelible' or 'Near Death' or any of those sorts of episodes were. I was actually swearing at the tv and the characters who I love and what they were doing. Of course part of what made it all so horrible was how perfect it was in the sense that what happened between Mac, Jo and Christine was pretty realistic. They didn't try to make the characters perfect.
Mac, I love you to pieces and I know it's you being you and it's part of what I love about you, but you're a freakin' idiot for not only not telling Christine about everything to begin with, but now also feeling you can't because you've backed yourself into a corner (which you kind of did).
Jo, I also love you, but going to Mac's girlfriend about the whole thing is NOT the appropriate way of going about things and I'm afraid you received several choice epitaphs from me tonight. And here's the thing about what Jo should have done. Is it a potential cause of concern? Yes, and she should have every right to worry and wonder what's going on. But has anything about any case been compromised or has Mac been unable to do his job? No. And technically he was right. He should have delegated way more of what he does a long time ago. So is there anything for Jo to go Mac's boss about? Not actually, and she knows that, which is why she went to see if she could get information from Christine. The fact that whatever part of his ongoing recovery he's struggling with isn't practically impacting his job performance, the whole thing does become a personal matter and one she should not have pushed in the fashion that she did.
The one person in all this who I give serious props to is Christine. I about cheered at the way she handled Jo's inquiries. Clearly she was thrown for a bit of a loop but recognized that she wasn't going to throw Mac under the bus without hearing about the whole thing from him directly. Of course, going to his work wasn't the smartest choice as it hardly provided the setting necessary for such a confrontation (and was evidenced by Hawkes' entrance). But Jo's concerns and inquiries were probably eating at her and I can't entirely blame her for not being able to wait for a more opportune time.
And as much as Mac's to blame for the corner he's backed himself into (particularly in now having to deal with the fact that he straight-up lied to Christine in his office), I did feel for him so much after he told the Lewis' about their son because I understand how he got to where he's at. And I was also impressed with how professional he kept himself when they were recovering the boy's body and not letting how furious he was with Jo show while they were on scene. And even afterwards when he told her to stay out of his personal business, it wasn't as if he lost his cool or blew up or even raised his voice. Most likely because he recognized there was blame to go around even though she had definitely handled the situation wrong by going behind his back to Christine.
But yeah, all that, seeing the pain of various kinds on all their faces....not cool, and so, so difficult to watch because I love them all.
Now, that being said, the Flack side of the episode was fantastic!!!! Eddie was phenomenal, and I'd love to have to his gandma! I loved seeing Don and Samantha on the best terms we've ever seen them. Clearly they were relatively close as younger siblings at least and it's obvious they've reconnected that.
Fantastic episode, but it'll be a while before I can bring myself to rewatch it.
I liked this episode as to the personal storylines. Loved Flack though and he's so much fun. Yes, he does need a girlfriend!! :lol:
It does seem like maybe the father did make Sam feel like she wasn't a part of the family and that's why she didn't want to say anything about dad or have anything to do with dad.
I think it's cool that Jo was worried about Mac but I think she was wrong in going to Christine. When I read the spoiler, I kept hoping that maybe Christine would notice something and go to Jo.
Jo, it's nice you are looking out for Mac but really, you were wrong and I hope you can make up with Mac for doing that.
Christine shouldn't have gone to his work but maybe in a way she noticed his issues but thought she was crazy or something. Sheldon comes and saves the day and Mac was very rude to her.
I loved the ending though and for some reason I thought they were going to spread his ashes on the field.
Maybe now they will be closer.
I forgot to say that earlier, I was like "it was Jo who initiated it, they're not gonna like it" lol. But I know the sleeveless look Flack had would be enjoyed.
I also thought they were going to spread the ashes on the field.
The very fact that Mac is hiding his aphasia and delegating his reports, case files, and court appearances says he knows damn well it's affecting his job performance. His is not performing to his former standard, and he knows it, and what's more, if this were one of his subordinates hiding a decline in cognitive function from him for the sake of their pride, he'd be soapboxing so hard you could hold a derby and delivering fiery speeches about the integrity of the lab being more important than their fear and wounded pride.
Mac knows his aphasia could compromise a case, which is why he's "delegating". If he were doing it because he'd finally learned to trust his team, it would be laudable and fabulous and the mark of a leader, but as it stands, it's self-serving and grossly hypocritical. He's been a raging douchelord to anyone who's expressed concern for him or told him something about his injury that he doesn't want to hear, including a doctor friend who went out of his way to drop everything and meet him for coffee.
His behavior is understandable from a purely human perspective; people do pissy,terrible things when frightened or ashamed. Understandable or not, it's also indefensible, especially from someone who trots out the Integrity canard at every opportunity, and it's rather telling that his precious integrity was the first card he played when Christine questioned him. On some level, Mac knows that he's wrong, but right now, he simply can't or won't admit it. Just like the myriad crooks of whom he has been so contemptuous. Like Flack with his murder of Cade, he's lost the moral high ground, and he knows it, hence his minor breakdown on the steps.
As Mac's second in command, Jo is as responsible for the lab as Mac. No, she doesn't have definitive proof that something is wrong, and no, she should not have approached Christine before anyone else, but if and when this blows up in everyone's face, she's going to catch a lot of the blowback, and one of the first questions people will ask is, "Were you aware of Detective Taylor's compromised abilities, and if so, why didn't you alert anyone?" Jo's ass will be right beside Mac's in the sling, and unlike Mac, she has neither long standing in the department or a sterling record, thanks to her whistle-blowing imbroglio with the FBI.
Don't even ask how hard I squeed at Flack in an apron, cooking eggs Benedict for himself and his dog.
i LOVED this episode yeah I wasnt paying too much attention to the case the personal stuff kicked butt though
Don Flack was a perfect person to start off with the characters and their days off, this show is stepping up its game this season for sure... nd I give props to Christine too how she handled it... i felt bad for her when Sheldon interrupted and mac said Christine was just leaving I'm wondering how it will all turn out the next few episodes for Mac and Jo at work and Christine whenever she makes her next appearance
The case didn't intrest me as much as the personal storylines in this one.
Let me be blunt,while Jo shouldn't have gone to Christine first,I do not fault her for wanting to find out what the heck is going on with Mac.
No cases have been lost because of Mac's issues so far but down the road they most certainly will be. Either on the job due to his memory issues or in a courtroom where a decent lawyer could expose Mac's problems and throw the whole case into doubt.
Sorry but this isn't a personal issue,it's a professional one that could put the careers of everyone in the lab at risk. If this was an employee,you can be sure Mac would rip him/her apart. The hypocrisy he is showing here annoys me to no end.
I do so agree with you, La Guera! I can't say more on this except that I thought Mac was an ass. I don't like people, and find it hard to forgive, who criticize others for things they do themselves. I remember how Mac went to Stella as a friend because he was worried about her, was turned down, and then became the boss and gave her a clear order. Jo went to him as a friend first and not as the second in command, but she could have played that card very easily. But she didn't. Going to Christine was not okay, but Christine going to Mac and saying "Jo told me that..." wasn't okay either because it puts Jo in a very bad position. Christine was just pissed off because Jo noticed and she did not.
Nobody bothers to talk about Mac being a detective back in '92, but that's okay since everyone knew this was going to happen. They messed it up again. No surprise. Bad storytelling. Go back and check the word "continuity" in a dictionary!
So Alex Carter was there. That's why we haven't seen him in Las Vegas for a while. He currently lives in New York :lol:
Well, I wonder why the parents didn't want to know exactly where their son was found and whether it was possible to see him or anything else. Just hugging and crying and going back inside seemed to be little bit odd to me. As if the scene wasn't actually about them but about Mac.
I don't want to grade this one right now because I tend to give it an F. So maybe I'll do it later.
At least we all agree about Mac, Jo and Christine.
I noticed something kinda strange about Christine. Why did she have an officer escort her to Mac's office? In the episode with Lucy's birthday, she didn't have anyone with her when she went up in the elevator and I think maybe if she visited before that she didn't have anyone escort her.
La Guera..agreed 100% with what you said. Don't get me wrong,Mac is one of my favorite characters but his hypocrisy and high and might attitude rub me the wrong way at times.
Mostly. I disagree that he's being hypocritical and that he would have reemed out one of his subordinates for keeping the same secret that he has from the department. Don't forget, for better or worse, Mac has loosened up considerably since s1. Not once did he hand Danny his ass for not reporting his badge stolen in s6, and by all rights and reality and 'old' Mac, he should and would have. Plus, also don't forget that he's only been back to work for a month. It's very likely that he was hoping that the problem would resolve itself in the months before he stepped back to work, and now that it hasn't he feels stuck in a position he got himself into and isn't exactly sure how to get of while maintaining his job and relationships. Naive and not smart to be sure, but I honestly don't think he expected to still have the deficit at this point which is why he took such a desperate tone with Kevin (the doc) when he met up with him.
The other thing I'm kind of puzzled about is why people wouldn't like this episode because the characters made bad personal decisions. That doesn't make the episode sub-par, it makes it realistic, and I actually like that they haven't made the characters fairy-tale as difficult as it is to watch them screw up.
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