08 Presidential Elections

I love my nickname! And good for you. I'm glad you're able to make light of your party. Alot of people, republicans and democrats alike, need to lighten up. When MadTV did a skit of Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton, I died laughing. But my family, die hard democrats, did NOT think it was funny. They flipped out. It's just a joke! So thumbs up to you Hollyyo for knowing how to take a joke!:thumbsup:

And I also saw Palin and was like holy lord!:guffaw: It's Tina Fey's twin! She did the accent perfect. It was too funny.

 

I'm a hard-core Obama/Biden supporter, and hope they win, and would be horrified if for some reason McCain couldn't run the country, god forbid, that this women would, we'd pretty much be down the drain, worse than we are now if that's possible

WOMANS RIGHTS TROUPS ENDORSE OBAMA

Women's rights groups endorsed Barack Obama for president, asserting the historic selection of a female candidate does not make up for John McCain's lack of support on issues important to women. We don't think it's much to break a glass ceiling, for one woman and leave millions of women behind", said Eleanore Smeal, president of the Feminist Majority Foundation. Smeal was among leaders from 6 organizations that announced their endorsement of the Democrat presidential nominee at a news conference!

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I watch the Saturday Night Live on video and I thought it was funny. I don't know what the big deal it was and why the Repulbicans and Democrate don't think it funny and I thought it was funny. Sarah Palin thought it was funny when Tina Fey dress like her and Carly dress like Hilary Clinton. I thought Carly is funny when she make a face like Hilary did when she run for President, like Hilary so desperate to get in the White House, "I want to be your President!" "I want that nominated!" when she broke the desk or something.

Hey, I laugh with David Letterman made a joke like he make a fun of Hilary and Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Edwards, John Kerry and George Bush. And People make a big deal of it.

I read over at Yahoo and Obama's supporter said to want him to get tough. I don't know if Joe Biden is joking or not, he said, he called Obama an idiot for not put Hilary Clinton as his Vice-President. I think he did the right thing for not put Hilary Clinton as his Vice-President, she will made him miserable and don't let her fool you, she and her husband are not happy for indorse Obama as a President.

I don't care who is President and along they are honest with us.

I don't think McCain agree with Bush. I don't know and I got this feeling, McCain disagree with Bush. At First, he was anti-war then all of a sudden, he was in the army.

 

I think it'll be a lot worse if Obama wins than McCain...I'm a diehard conservative who thinks liberals have caused more harm than good in this country and am greatly opposed to many of his stances. I think aside from that it would lead to more socalism and I also have experience questions.

The Palin attacks especially annoy me, they need to wake up and realize that being prolife doesn't mean being anti-woman or against women's rights. It's hard for me to see why people are so against accepting the unborn as human and that they're no different than any of us. Their rights need to be protected. We get upset when kids are killed and killing them is no different. But I need to get back on topic, that's not what this thread is about,I realize that, so I hope I don't get deleted I admire her determination to raise her child even though he's Down's when so many times Down's children aren't allowed to be born. I admire her respect for all human life, born and unborn alike and her desire to allow academic freedom in our schools as well as her recognition that so called comprehensive sex ed isn't working while the evidence shows abstinence ed is, despite the liberals' continued denial of it. I don't think she'd be bad as president at all in that respect although experience is a big question on both sides.

That said, I don't like Palin's lack of compassion for animal life...someone should run her down with a helicopter and shoot her and see how she would like it. Human rights come first, yes, but people need to stop thinking they can treat animals badly and respect them as well. They're still living beings and still deserve to be free from abuse and mistreatment, including cruel hunting methods. And I'm not totally comfortable with McCain's apparent war stances and I'm personally opposed to supporting oil drilling. I think we need more renewable resource focuses rather than putting a bandaid on the problem.

Personally I just want it to be over because I don't think there is a real totally good choice here. And I'm sick of the constant mudslinging.

I'm curious also how a thread like this can run without degenerating into one big chaotic battle...I guess we have the posters and the mods to applaud for staying civil. I'm not going to be posting here much becuase I don't want to get into a big fight but had to state my opinions.

 

Though I really really disagree with most arguments you've made, the only one I'm going to actually call BS on is this one (as the rest are really opinions you've restated as facts). If you can provide the evidence that "Abstinence Ed" is working I would love to see it.

Telling people to simply not do something is not a tactic. Every single bit of research I've seen (besides those put out by Churches or Conservative/Republican groups) shows that comprehensive sex ed it infinitely more effective. Back up for my claims?

Based On The Research, Comprehensive Sex Education Is More Effective At Stopping The Spread Of Hiv Infection, Says Apa Committee


Effective Sexual Education

Study Casts Doubt on Abstinence Only Education

Abstinence, Sex Education and HIV Prevention

Against the one article I've found claiming the effectiveness of Abstinence ed, here, published by "Christian Post". Abstinence education isn't education at all, its blatantly ignoring the facts and keeping kids in the dark about facts they need to know. I had a home school girl ask me if you could get pregnant from kissing before, and another tell me that if you took a shower after having sex you couldn't get pregnant. Guess what these girls were taught? Abstinence education.

Let's see some sources.

 

Yes and Obama has had a walk in the park. Please. He's faced more criticism and hate than Palin ever will, simply because of his skin. The american people are pathetic, I'm sorry. We elect (and I use that loosely) someone like George Bush TWICE, but when someone who actually has something to offer the american people has finally stepped up to the plate, many of us (the american people) shut him down simply because he's a black man. Most democrats don't dislike Palin cause she's a woman. We dislike her because when the women opens her lipsticked, hockey mom mouth, she spews lies, lies, and look at that! MORE lies.

I couldn't agree with you more. The more and more lies that McCain throws out about Obama only show the American people how pathetic he is. He would rather conjour up lies than actually use facts. It's quite sad. He's stooped so low these past couple weeks, that I would be surprised if he could get out of it. But then again it wouldn't be the first time that the stupidity of the american people has surprised me.

 

wah? Is Bush a radical liberal? Hmmm, i don't think any liberals can do as much damage as he has already.

I have experience questions for Palin. Oh Noes! not socialism! I hate having less crime, i really do. And going to a real school, not like the american ones, that don't teach science.

Maybe when pro-lifers understand what the attacks against them actually means, then they will understand where pro-choice people are coming from. Palin can be pro-life all she wants, that is not what is being attacked. Its taking away the choice. I don't care about the morals about abortion, it is something that I see as nessecary, because lets face it, you have to be an idiot to believe making it illegal will stop them. Or that it will be good for the society. Plus she supports stopping abortions for women who have been raped and in cases of incest. I know i am a socialist commie, but making a female who has been raped have that child is DISGUSTING.

Thats your view, and you are welcome to it, but in my scientific view (i know, i am an evil scientist as well, hell here i come!) an embryo is a clump of growing cells, that rely on the host (mother) to survive. So it is kind of like a parasite. It is part of the mother's body, even with a different DNA profile. So I see it as tissue, that the mother has total control over. And embryo's are disposible, if one goes, just get another one going! Nature made them that way. I find it funny that people who are so against abortions are also against socialism, since socialist programs support teen mothers, adoption services, helping single mothers, etc.

Hey, here is an idea, if you don't agree with abortion, don't have one! Makes sense right? Abortion is like prostitution, and all the other evils that people object to, but always occur over and over.

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Well, I personally believe she is anti-woman more for her making rape victims PAY for their very own rap kits. Or the fact that she takes a job just because she has tits, and doesn't care how that looks.

You mean the one she pimps out on the stage, with all the flashing cameras to use to show what a 'great' person she is? Or the one she nearly killed because she ignored doctors orders, and went on an airplane, which caused early labour, to make a speech?

LOL...oh wow. Time to turn off Fox News. No the sex-ed doesn't stop kids from having sex, nothing does since humans are biologically programmed to have sex, but it does decrease unprotected sex. You know the rest of the westernized world doesn't use that abstinence education crap right? There is a reason for that. We actually have science, we are open about sexuallity, as it is apart of being human, and shouldn't be considered as being 'dirty'. Plus it doesn't work. Kids have sex, deal with it. It is only birth control, OMG NOT CONDOMS!! Not to mention a lot of us don't believe in 'no sex before marriage' stuff, since it increases young marriages, not to mention unprotected sexual activities. How is banning sex-ed allowing academic freedom? Gotta love that her teen daughter is preggers, LOL I guess all that abstinence only education really works.

Yes, she does seem borderline psychotic with her killing of animals.

That is why i follow the american elections, they are like watching the Jerry Springer show! It is SO funny.

Well, i am not fighting, although my post is rather snarky, but that is just my style (it isn't supposed to be rude towards you personally). You have to back your points up with evidence!

I am not trying to be rude, but the view of America from the outside is not good at all. The phrase 'stupid americans' is common (I hear it ALL the time), and your government is either viewed as a bully, who breaks human rights, or a joke. Seriously, we can see the US falling apart, and it doesn't look good! But we all love Obama! Go Obama!!

 

A letter from a reader to the editor of our local paper on Sarah Palin vs Barack Obama~

Here is Palin's experience~ 4 years on the Wasilla City Council, 4 years as the city's mayor, 1 year leading the Alaska Oil & Gas Conservation Commission and 20 months as governor of Alaska. So 9 years in political office, she also has a bachelor of science degree in communications/journalism. Barack Obama served in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004 and the U.S. Senate since 2004, for a total of 11 years in the political arena. He also praticed law--he has a degree from Harvard--before this and was a community organizer. Martin Luthur King Jr. and Cesar Chavez were also nobly involved in community organizing. Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for 12 years. Obama's experience is in areas that are relevant to being a president!

name withheld
Moreno Valley

 

Breaking News:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/24/campaign.wrap/index.html

McCain Suspends Campaign, Calls for Obama to Do the Same

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Republican presidential candidate John McCain announced Wednesday that he is suspending his campaign to return to Washington and focus on the "historic" crisis facing the U.S. economy.
McCain said it was time for both parties to come together to solve economic crisis.


The Arizona senator called on his Democratic rival, Barack Obama, to do the same.
The Obama campaign announced that Obama would make a statement shortly.
McCain also urged that organizers of Friday's presidential debate at the University of Mississippi to postpone the event.
"I am calling on the president to convene a meeting with the leadership from both houses of Congress, including Senator Obama and myself," McCain told reporters in New York. "It is time for both parties to come together to solve this problem." Watch McCain's announcement »
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid issued a statement saying the presidential debate should go on and that McCain's negotions should not be a "photo op."
"It would not be helpful at this time to have them come back during these negotiations and risk injecting presidential politics into this process or distract important talks about the future of our nation's economy," the statement said. "We need leadership, not a campaign photo op."
"If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now," he added.
McCain senior adviser Mark Salter briefed reporters shortly after. He said the campaign will suspend airing all ads and all campaign events pending Obama's agreement.
Salter also set McCain called President Bush and talked to colleagues in Washington and learned that passage of the Paulson plan was next to impossible to be passed.
McCain would partake in debate if they passed agreement by Friday morning, Salter added.
McCain's campaign also said that he had canceled his scheduled appearance on "The Late Show with David Letterman" for Wednesday night.
The announcement came just hours before President Bush was scheduled to address the nation on the troubled state of the U.S. financial system -- a problem for which his administration has proposed a $700 billion bailout.
Immediately after the announcement, White House press secretary Dana Perino released this statement: "We welcome Sen. McCain's announcement. We are making progress in negotiations on the financial markets rescue legislation, but we have not finished it yet. Bipartisan support from Sens. McCain and Obama would be helpful in driving to a conclusion."
A McCain senior adviser said that Obama called McCain early Wednesday morning to asking a joint statement of "shared principles and conditions" for the bailout proposal.

An Obama campaign source confirmed the call and said that McCain returned his call six hours later, and accepted the concept and suggested the two of them return to Washington to join the negotiations. The source says that Obama told him that he would do that only if negotiators saw it as useful.
According to the Obama source, soon after they ended the call, McCain announced he was suspending his campaign and returning to Washington.
The bailout plan has met with a cool reception in two days of hearings on Capitol Hill, where both Democrats and Republicans have expressed skepticism about the proposal drafted by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.
"It has become clear that no consensus has developed to support the administration's proposal," McCain said. "I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time."
But he added that he believes Congress could forge a consensus on legislation "before the markets open on Monday."
McCain and his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, were in New York to meet with world leaders at the United Nations. They had met with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili and Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko.
"Senator, governor, I'm really honored to be here with you. I know you have a very important campaign to run," Saakashvili said. "Overall, I have to say I greatly appreciate the solidarity we felt from the American people."
Earlier, Palin met with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani.
Obama on Wednesday lashed out at the Bush administration and his opponent on the handling of the crisis on Wall Street as well as the $700 billion bailout plan by Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson.
Congress and the White House are trying to negotiate the details of what would be the most sweeping economic intervention by the government since the Great Depression. Bush has asked Congress to act quickly on the bailout proposal following news of failing financial institutions and frozen credit markets.
"The clock is ticking on this crisis. We have to act swiftly, but we also have to get it right," Obama said in Dunedin, Florida. "And that means everyone -- Republicans and Democrats, and the White House and Congress -- must work together to come up with a solution that protects American taxpayers and our economy without rewarding those whose greed helped get us into this problem in the first place."
Obama said it's unacceptable to expect the American people to "hand this administration or any administration a $700 billion check with no conditions and no oversight when a lack of oversight in Washington and on Wall Street is exactly what got us into this mess."
He said struggling homeowners must be taken care of in any economic recovery plan -- and that taxpayers should "not be spending one dime to reward the same Wall Street CEOs whose greed and irresponsibility got us into this mess."

He also hit McCain for switching from his stance as an advocate for market deregulation to a strong supporter of regulation since the Wall Street crisis became front-page news.
"He's suddenly a hard-charging populist," Obama said. "And that's all well and good, but I sure wish he was talking the same way over a year ago, when I introduced a bill that would've helped stop the multimillion-dollar bonus packages that CEOs grab on their way out the door."
McCain's bombshell comes as a new CNN "poll of polls" out of Virginia on Wednesday shows McCain with the slimmest of leads in a state that traditionally has been a safe bet for Republicans.
The latest polls could be a warning sign for McCain that he still has work to do to lock down certain states where previous GOP nominees had to spend little time or effort doing so.


In the new poll of polls, McCain holds a 1 percentage point lead over Obama (47 percent to 46 percent) in Virginia, while 7 percent remain undecided.



The poll of polls is an average of three recent surveys of the state -- MSNBC/Mason-Dixon (September 17-22), ARG (September 17-20) and ABC/The Washington Post (September 18-21). The poll of polls does not have a sampling error.

 

As of now Obama says NO to canceling debate:thumbsup: and according to the Washington Post poll, Obama leads in this poll 52% to McCain's 43%. And also the poll has "who's responsible for the failure of the economy and it has Republicans 46% Democrats 29%, so it basically all depends on which poll is right at the moment!

http://news.aol.com/elections

 

I really believe that the reason McCain wanted to delay the debate is because this polling was coming out today, but I could be wrong. We're noticing that the Palin effect is diminishing and there seems to be a balance. I don't know... I guess we will see in 40 days, no?

 

This is pretty scary it talks about how Sarah Palin has 'dumped' people who've helped her in the past, not a nice lady according to thisand I think that McCain is doing a chicken walk on 'not having the debate" this is the perfect time more than ever to have this important debate, I think he's running scared, this is a horrible situation, what better time to see them discuss it:thumbsup:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/23/palin/index.html

 

Barack the Vote!

Oh yes, my man, Barack Obama is gonna win!

O-BAM-A! O-BAM-A!

:thumbsup:

 

Ok, I didn't feel like reading that whole article, but it sounds like McCain is wanting to "suspend" his campaign for a while to make it look like he's going to stop at nothing for the country. Yes, I'm a McCain fan, but hey, this is politics. I'm a little angry though, I want to see a freaking debate! Argh! And no, don't say it's because McCain is too chicken to debate Obama. McCain is a really good debater (he pretty much blasted Bush wayyy back then).

I get irritated when people from other countries call us "stupid Americans." We're the most powerful nation in the world. And not all of us are lazy rednecks. When people say that, they're judging waaaaay too many people.

I'm just sick of this race. We've been hearing about it pretty much for the last 2 years and it's driving me up the wall. Can't we hurry up and get to the electoin? GOSH!

If Obama does get it though, I'm making arrangements to move to Canada. Oh wait, they're more liberal than we are....Um. Mexico? lol

 

Yeah. Right. McCain is a good debater if he sticks to small words, big hand gestures, and a teleprompter.

And it's not that hard to blast Bush. He's a moron. A 3rd grader could probably blast him in a debate AND a spelling/grammer test. But that's neither here nor there.

Yes, but are they wrong? I don't think so. The american people let something like race/ethnicity stand in the way of common sense. It's pathetic. Maybe people from other countries should use stupid. How about ignorant? Arrogant? Stuck-up? All of them work for me.

If I was a republican, I would want it to be over too. You know, before anyone else airs anymore of our dirty laundry for all the world to see.

:wtf: Seriously? You think it's bad here, go ahead and go to Mexico then. I'm taking it that you've never actually been to Mexico. Because If you had, you would never, ever want to live there. Canada is more liberal and look! People aren't half as supid, ignorant, arrogant, or stuck-up. How about that!

Don't get me wrong. I love the idea of America, but america itself has alot more underlying issues than we think we do. Yes, we're "the most powerful nation in the world" but that means nothing if we aren't willing to use the freedom that people have fought for. By not exercising the outlets for information me have. By not exercising or rights as americans.

That's why people form other countries call us stupid. Because 50 million of us aren't registered to vote, and because of comments like the one you just spouted. There are people all over the world who would literally KILL to vote, but Americans would rather sit on their behinds rather than vote. Then when something doesn't happen the way they hoped it would, they are the first to complain. Come on America.

You're entitled to your opinion, but please, please back it up with facts.