Grissom&Sara #23 - Hot, Butt-Kicking, Chainsaw Wielding Love

Re: Grissom&Sara #23 - Hot, Butt-Kicking, Chainsaw Wielding

I could go with them being in some kind of on-and-off limbo non-relationship type thing before TOYD, I guess. That they finally committed between the Caprice scene and the Eyesex scene. I suppose that's semi-workable for me

Really? I was perfectly comfortable with all of those except for Bite Me. That was the only one I felt thrown by.

 

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Well, Bite Me wasn't necessarily "good" GSR, but it suggested that their relationship was different from what it had once been.

In a strange way, with all of their quirks and their discomfort around each other, when they talked about sex in the abstract at work, there seemed to be a barrier through which they could communicate safely.

Swap Meet - "Found some porn" and "Problem with the lifestyle" being the most obvious choices, for me. They were very intimate with each other, but in a way that said, "If either one of us asks, we're just talking about work..."

Bite Me was the total opposite - almost an answer to Swap Meet.

 

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That's got me thinking, now.

If Bite Me is an answer to Swap Meet, and Snakes is an answer to Butterflied - what other duo GSR episodes can you think of?

 

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hi guys, i'm back again!

Spoiler: past and future

desertwind, i agree with you in the past or future thing, i'm more interested in what's gonna happen in the future with G/S.. like a kiss, a marriage, etcetera! i don't know if i had to put it in a spoiler box, but well, it's better to be safe..

i'm looking forward to monday, the finally air the season six finale in holland! i saw brass got shot already, and i gotta say, it was soo shocking! but well, this monday, my mother will finally see that G/S belongs together (because of the bedroom scene) i'm gonna scream again, i'm sure i will

 

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This is a thinker...question of the week material. Hmm...

 

Re: Grissom&Sara #23 - Hot, Butt-Kicking, Chainsaw Wielding

Well, Unfriendly Skies, Sara seems to be gushing over Grissom's every word. In Fannysmackin' during a similar post-shift discussion, she and he contribute together. To the same end, but both on even footing.

I thought that Sara kind of brushing off Grissom's earlier theories in Killer reminded me of when he told her not to get too far ahead in Crate and Burial. Then in Toe Tags we saw him making more of an allowance for her early theories.

Too Tough to Die and Gentle Gentle's connections were even brought up by Sara when she said, "I thought you told me no victim was 'special'"

Burden of Proof - Grissom makes her clean up the hamburger. BTK - Grissom brings Sara a veggie burger. That, I think, was completely intentional. There are a LOT of vegetarian options and he got a burger.

I think you could make a case for "Since I Met You" and "Grey Hair is Attractive", as it's probably the first and only time Sara said that she finds Grissom physically attractive. Grissom repeated his beauty line in Butterflied.

In Harvest, Grissom tells Sara he thinks she would've been a smart little girl. In Committed, Sara tells Grissom he probably aced his ink blots.

 

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this is very true.

Time Of Youre Death does seem the first concrete evidence their together. its just possible to see it in so many different ways. the limbo theory seems possible too. that' thats when they decided, lets be together

but in the finale it very strongly gave the impression they had been together a long time. a significant enough time for them to be totally at ease and comfortable and for grissom to be totally open with her and his feelings. and like posted earlier in the thread, they were basically saying they loved each other. this wasnt something that had happened last week. it didnt seem new. so that finale gave the impression it had been going on a while...not that it had happened two eps previously. which brings me to-how much time between eps are we supposed to think has passed? cause i always assume not too long, so in that respect, it doesnt seem likely TOYD was the first time they had sex or got in a relationship should i say.

although the eye sex scene. i dont think grissom would be so blatently undressing her with his eyes, unless they were already in a relationship. that doesnt seem him. which brings me back to...

i assume it was planned all season too. there are so many hints and scenes and it just makes no sense unless they had that plan all along. so in that respect TOYD been the first time they actually are physically together seems unlikely to me. the more we discuss the timeline here, the more confused i get.

but i never actually watched any grissom or sara scenes prior to them not been together. i only started watching csi a few months ago. SO i never watched any of those scenes without knowing they wernt together, so i have a very canon like understanding of every one. but for those prior, who are saying before we knew they were together, they felt the scenes meaning and stuff different, can they explain, and explain which scenes they are refering to?


sometimes i worry we all read too much into scenes, analyse and pull apart scenes, and that the wriers just didnt put nearly as much thought into it as we do. but it does seem planned. and season 6 did seem to suggest something was going on, im not saying, in a relationship, but things were changing throughout the season that seemed to suggest big changes.

Snakes and Nesting Dolls been the trigger to the changes in their relationship, then progressivly through that season and 6. committed, grave danger, bite me, etc etc.


and in snakes, where he was ever so sweet and tender to her, and he got to her fast. she was smiling when he came into her house, and crying by the end, it took him like a minute to break down her walls that she had up. probably because she trusted him, and she wanted to talk to him about it, or that she had to. and i would hate to be discussing something with someone, or hiding it like she was at the beginning with someone whos job it was to notice tells, and unconcious stuff, and if you were lying and stuff....

also, i love how if Grissom hadnt been her boss, she'd have lost her job. if it had been up to ecklie. but Grissom comes to her house for an explantion, an ep after she'd told him how she feels, but he has no intention whatsoever of firing her either way. i think he wanted her to let him in...

but i love how he put himself on the line and covered for her 'saras behaviour is a direct result of my management'..when it was actually her own past that was giving her problems, not him at all. that he blamed himself knowing nothing would be done, using his professional leverage to save sara. thats so cute.

thats interesting. sarahvma could you expand on how you think it was a direct answer to Swap Meet almost? ..

i agree they seemed comfortable with potentially uncomfortable topics of discussion when they were working when they wouldnt have been probably otherwise so they used it as a shield almost. i noticed that in the 'found porn' scene they seemed comfortable. and that they were comfortable in the 'lifestyle' scene, but it always bugged me, he was interupted and never answered the 'you think their happy' question of saras.

or do you mean, they were fine talking behind the cover of the job in swap meet, but in bite me, it was blatently personal?

 

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Yeah - sure. lol. I kind of like this.

Okay - in Swap Meet, Sara finds some porn. Ironically (though probably not) she holds up a bondage magazine to Grissom (Lady Heather echoes?). Grissom begins, in the "Thermite" voice and mannerisms, to talk about how this porn isn't any more explicit than famous works throughout history depicting sexual acts (Karma Sutra, Frescos at Pompeii, etc.), then Sara holds up the bondage and says "This isn't art".

Later, Sara talks about how she has a problem with the swinging lifestyle, that she thinks they're just hurting one-another and Grissom seems to be defending it.

But the interesting thing is how intimately both scenes are done. In the second, it's after Grissom is told that he lusts for someone he works with, and he's gone and gotten her tea. He then stares at her intently the whole time she talks about love and marriage and uses a low, soft voice.

It's, in a weird way, more intimate than the final scene in terms of sexual attraction. The WTG scene was more "Yes, dear - now come to bed".

But I think that they COULD talk so intimately because they were talking about work. They had this big safety banner around them that said, "We're not really talking about us - we're not really having a conversation about our sexual and relationship preferences, we're just two co-workers conversing"

Which, of course, from body language, you can tell is BS.

But it's a denial they were comfortable with.

In Bite Me, Grissom really isn't having it. Sara starts theorizing all the ways in which a marriage where two people sleep in separate beds could still be normal and happy. Grissom is the one who breaks down the fourth wall by saying, "Maybe SHE was suffocating him and HE couldn't breathe". Do I think he was talking about himself? No. In fact, he may have been saying to her, "We don't have to do this at work anymore - we don't have to talk through work to talk about sex and relationships". I think it's to get her attention. Because later, when he smiles, and she smiles back, it's almost like he's saying, "Just kidding".

If I had to hazzard a guess, I'd say they hadn't slept together yet, but were close. Gum Drops may have been the consummation scene. Sara seems to know what Grissom's there for, from the stage directions, yet Grissom still feels the need to justify his actions with an explanation.

So we'll just assume that they slept together around that time anyway - which would explain Sara's defensiveness about Sofia hiding out in his office later.

Either way - Bite Me is, in my opinion, Grissom saying, "Enough is enough" to their "let's pretend we're not talking about ourselves" relationships.

Grissom makes Thermite pretty obvious, but I think that Sara's response is her cutting him back for the comment he made in Bite Me.

In both cases, I don't think it was a fight that they had had, but more the two trying to figure out what they should be at work to each other.

 

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aw you always give such long responses, thanks hun!


anyways, thats all very interesting also, actually it all makes total sense, i totally think youre right. that in swap meet, after that swinging wife is like 'everyone lusts after someone......a girl at work...' etc. the first thing he does when he leaves is not that he distances himself and runs away, while no doubt that comment is still playing over and over in his head....nah, he goes to get a cup of tea for sara, and sits down and talks to her. he totally wants to spend time with her, he wants to be close i think.

he was really cute with her in that scene i remember, ive noticed how sweetly he talks to her most of the time, or at least, when their alone, when their having a moment. its very non boss like at times, always feels kind of intimate, delicate at times. totally different from how he talks to any other csis. one to one, hes often very tender with her, with the quiet voice....its all very cute..i bet she notices that.

anyways. bite me;

so you said about how you thought he was kinda pulling reality on the situation almost, almost like 'im not pretending anymore, if you wanna discuss us, go ahead'...hence saras reaction (i wonder if thats how she took it) but anyways, you know when sara says that end line about how you dont have to sleep in the same bed to have sex......or romance.

do you think that was sara saying, ok fine, i wont pretend-understanding him. because the whole point was that this couple were getting it on, but sleeping in separate beds, and while she was trying to insinuate its not meaning trouble and a gloomy end for the relationship, and if thats the case, he was like yes it is, hold up, if youre talking about us and our situation, be clear, and so she is?

and i agree, i still dont think they'd had sex in or before bite me. the way she said... sex, strongly suggests they hadnt, and that she was proposing that just because they were in separate beds, didnt mean they couldnt get it on-it wasnt a problem, i cant believe she'd say that if they'd already had sex..



i have a question by the way

in Invisible Evidence when she totally makes it awkward by saying about how 'she hopes anything thats happened or hasnt happened between us wont be a factor'....what was she actually going on about?

this was before she had any clear verbal confirmation he liked her (bf) and although she'd asked him out, he'd refused, and that was really it. she'd made it clear she was interested when she asked him out, but blatantly nothing had happened and she knew it. so i cant believe she asked him straight out if it would make a difference.

do you think she did that more for his reaction than because she thought he would actually hold it against her? or do you think she was actually really concerned about that, and picking a moment when there was huge sexual tension between them to illustrate her point, there was something going on, whether it was an attraction or not....i mean, of all the times, she picks then, he couldn’t possibly deny there was nothing going on, after all, he was obviously flirting with her, trying to get close to her a few seconds prior, so what was he meant to say? what did she expect him to say? she put herself and him in such an awkward situation, it was obviously gonna go terribly. i mean when she played it out in her head did she think it would go 'grissom: no sara, this thing we have for each other wont affect who i choose for promotion'....i mean c'mon. it was awkward either way for him......sarahvma what do you think?

 

Re: Grissom&Sara #23 - Hot, Butt-Kicking, Chainsaw Wielding

Twofold. I think that it directly referred to her asking him out in Playing With Fire, but also she was simply pointing out that even innocent moments became sexual or suggestive with them, and it would be the sort of thing that Grissom wouldn't want getting out.

It could also have been a reference to San Francisco, but... I doubt it - especially when she said, "or didn't happen between us".

If they'd been lovers in SF, I don't think Grissom would've gotten this "WTF... oh." expression. I don't believe he had any idea of how that (the pin me down) may have looked to outside eyes. Nor do I think he was totally aware of what he was doing.

 

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i still think he was lost in the moment there lol, and because it was a working situation allowed himself to get closer, because he wanted to....even the way he talked to her. he wouldnt have been like that had it been catherine and i bet not if others were in the room. the tension was plain to see...but now that you mention it, maybe he was in denial back then or shock. cause butterflied wasnt too far off, and you said he was meant to talk about how he had thought about sleeping with her and being with her and he had been thinking about the impact of getting with her. i totally think when you know theres an attraction, the moments you have with that person, you pay a million times more attention to...but his expression which did seem like wtf...oh.. does seem to agree with youre 'wasnt aware what he was doing or how it would look' theory. why do you think that again? i still think he was aware. haha

 

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When she totally MAKES it awkward?

Dude, the whole scene was awkward.

You could see it from the look on Grissom's face that he wasn't expecting it at the moment Sara asked, oh, no I'm sorry, TOLD him to pin her down. At first, I think he wasn't going to, but then he just felt the need to go with the flow. And, the fact that being that close to Sara made his mouth water.

You can see that at first, he was either thinking about it, I'm not saying that his first reaction wasn't yes, but could you imagine what would happen if someone walked in on them? I feel a scenario coming..

SARA: Pin me down
GRISSOM: (pauses) (Then pins her down)
SARA: She would have struggled. Then, she gave up. Afterward, when he got up, he put his hands on the sheet for leverage.
GRISSOM: (After a moment, GRISSOM releases SARA'S wrists and places his hands on the
sheet near her waist) Like this.
CATHERINE: (walks by and notices the scene of what is going on inside the room) WHAT THE HELL?! (she screams as she walks back to the room where GRISSOM and SARA are)
GRISSOM: (stays with his hands at SARA's waist, but looks at CATHERINE)
SARA: (purses her lips innocently and looks at CATHERINE)
CATHERINE: Couldn't you guys AT LEAST wait until you got home, .. or something?!
GRISSOM: We're not.. we.. WAIT A MINUTE! Me and Sara don't... wait.. That was only ONE time!
CATHERINE: (walks away with a hand rubbing her forehead)
GRISSOM: (turns to SARA) How did she know about THAT?
SARA: Well... heh...


haha. I had fun with that one.

 

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haha. yeah if someone had walked by that would have been even better. he SO wouldnt have done that if catherine etc were in the room with them though, it was way to imtimate.

and yes she makes it awkward. he didnt seem to bat an eyelid when she asked him to pin her down, he seemed fine with it, but then he made it tense, or maybe they both did rather because of the closeness, their attraction and the way he talks to her, but she up and calls him on what they have together, which made it very awkward. funnily enough, it ended up been more awkward for her though. since she ran away from him embarrassed. which was cute.

 

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hahaha, that one is sooooo funny SaraxSullivan!! :lol: :lol: i almost fell of my chair when i was reading it!!! you rock! :lol:

 

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god i was gone for like two days and there was four pages i had to catch up on lol. i love that scene in invisible evidennce, its got sooo much sexually tension! One question who is this guy you are all talking about taking grissom's place while he is away? Is he as big as they say he is?