Digital_Mystic
Victim
This is all from my POV and if I am discussing something already said or already has a thread I apologize.
I can sympathize with many viewers and their feelings that Ray Langston has been kinda mishandled since his inception. I can see why people argue that as a Level 1 he should not be going solo to a scene (despite what I believe is an error on their part), and I can also understand how people think that he is becoming a supervisor like character, telling people what to do and such.
At the same time I also realize that the character was a pathologist and has run a lecture circuit on criminal psychology. I don't think this negates the some people's arguments, but I think it does explain his predilection to taking charge, being a commanding person despite his low rank. I know many people I work with who tell managers what to do, they were at work earlier or showed up first, saw the situation and took charge in lieu of a real supervisor, the real supervisor sees the work being done and doesn't cede control, but works with the plan or work already in progress rather than change it up and cause issues.
ES's character Greg has just recently gotten to Level 3 in 19 Down, but passed his proficiency to get CSI Level 1 and therefore Solo a scene in Who Shot Sherlock 4 seasons ago. Yet since then he has had to have worked over 100 cases required to get Level 3 (Level 3 being 100 cases is from Pilot), why aren't people complaining about that inconsistency loudly? Those that did thought it didn't happen fast enough? I agree it took too long, but the time lines in CSI is twisted at best. Let's not forget the whole CSI Level dynamic has been tossed out the window since Sara was allowed to work solo when Nick couldn't in Let The Seller Beware, despite Nick being a Level 3 at the time and therefore right beneath Cath in the pecking order.
The amount of time between One To Go and The Grave Shift is not explained, though Ray had training before the episode (as stated by Cath), which may have included supervised crime scene investigation on day shift or such. It could have been a month, or more. In Miscarriage of Justice it was revealed that Langston was on the team for months, yet it was only 3 episodes after The Grave Shift, a mere month in viewer time. It all just fits with CSI's style, to quote CSI Files' own review of Miscarriage of Justice: "The problem with throwing a new person into a CSI show is that inevitably that person will have to prove how completely and utterly fantastic he/she is within a couple of episodes."
Also, I have seen every episode (save for Mascara (which I hate the drum intro and I dislike Friedkin's direction every time he gets behind the camera on CSI) and A Space Oddity which I am saving to watch with my gf since she's a CSI fan and a trekkie), I do think that the episodes since Disarmed and Dangerous are some of the best ensemble pieces the show has ever done save for the two I haven't seen because, well, I haven't seen them. Everyone has screentime, everyone is involved in the case(s), nobody is there for just one quick scene and then gone.
I love CSI, it is my favorite show, I can name episodes from the first 30 seconds, and give a season number and what episode number it is as well as a title (though I can't always recall titles). I have all the PC games and board games, and most of the books, and even went to the CSI exhibit twice despite my disappointment with it. And yet I find it sad how much some fans have started to nitpick, it's like trekkies trying to find everything wrong with the new movie because "it's not the trek of old I loved", it's not the same CSI either, doesn't make it better or worse, it's all in what you bring to it. :bolian:
I can sympathize with many viewers and their feelings that Ray Langston has been kinda mishandled since his inception. I can see why people argue that as a Level 1 he should not be going solo to a scene (despite what I believe is an error on their part), and I can also understand how people think that he is becoming a supervisor like character, telling people what to do and such.
At the same time I also realize that the character was a pathologist and has run a lecture circuit on criminal psychology. I don't think this negates the some people's arguments, but I think it does explain his predilection to taking charge, being a commanding person despite his low rank. I know many people I work with who tell managers what to do, they were at work earlier or showed up first, saw the situation and took charge in lieu of a real supervisor, the real supervisor sees the work being done and doesn't cede control, but works with the plan or work already in progress rather than change it up and cause issues.
ES's character Greg has just recently gotten to Level 3 in 19 Down, but passed his proficiency to get CSI Level 1 and therefore Solo a scene in Who Shot Sherlock 4 seasons ago. Yet since then he has had to have worked over 100 cases required to get Level 3 (Level 3 being 100 cases is from Pilot), why aren't people complaining about that inconsistency loudly? Those that did thought it didn't happen fast enough? I agree it took too long, but the time lines in CSI is twisted at best. Let's not forget the whole CSI Level dynamic has been tossed out the window since Sara was allowed to work solo when Nick couldn't in Let The Seller Beware, despite Nick being a Level 3 at the time and therefore right beneath Cath in the pecking order.
The amount of time between One To Go and The Grave Shift is not explained, though Ray had training before the episode (as stated by Cath), which may have included supervised crime scene investigation on day shift or such. It could have been a month, or more. In Miscarriage of Justice it was revealed that Langston was on the team for months, yet it was only 3 episodes after The Grave Shift, a mere month in viewer time. It all just fits with CSI's style, to quote CSI Files' own review of Miscarriage of Justice: "The problem with throwing a new person into a CSI show is that inevitably that person will have to prove how completely and utterly fantastic he/she is within a couple of episodes."
Also, I have seen every episode (save for Mascara (which I hate the drum intro and I dislike Friedkin's direction every time he gets behind the camera on CSI) and A Space Oddity which I am saving to watch with my gf since she's a CSI fan and a trekkie), I do think that the episodes since Disarmed and Dangerous are some of the best ensemble pieces the show has ever done save for the two I haven't seen because, well, I haven't seen them. Everyone has screentime, everyone is involved in the case(s), nobody is there for just one quick scene and then gone.
I love CSI, it is my favorite show, I can name episodes from the first 30 seconds, and give a season number and what episode number it is as well as a title (though I can't always recall titles). I have all the PC games and board games, and most of the books, and even went to the CSI exhibit twice despite my disappointment with it. And yet I find it sad how much some fans have started to nitpick, it's like trekkies trying to find everything wrong with the new movie because "it's not the trek of old I loved", it's not the same CSI either, doesn't make it better or worse, it's all in what you bring to it. :bolian: