8x06 - 'Dude Where's my Groom' **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

[GregNickRyanFan]

Oh did anyone else notice that Jesse said "I got this" to Calleigh about searching the girl's purse? That made me chuckle because George Lopez was always saying that on his sitcom. And Eva Larue played George's sister on two eps of that show (though the character was on three eps, but was played by a different actress in one of the episodes).

[CSIMandy]

Originally Posted by GregNickRyanFan

I miss how was in episodes like "Shootout". How he called H and asked H to do something to help that baby like the nanny wanted. But, the writing of Ryan is not the only one the writers are having trouble with this season.

I hated the way Eric was written in one scene in his last episode. Yes, Eric can be a tiny bit of a hothead at times (a lot of the guys I know are like that lol), but he would never act like that with someone who wasn't a suspect (the way he was acting toward that woman). It just wasn't like him at all.

By the way, I saw your new screen name and was a bit confused at first because I recognized the avatar, but not the screen name. Took me a bit to actually notice that you had your old screenname in your sig.

I agree, the writers do seem to be struggling with the characters this season. At times the characters are unrecognizable. Though in this episode, Ryan was not wrong. Tom was rude to him

LOL, yes I changed my ID

[mjszud]

Originally Posted by GregNickRyanFan

Did anyone else think Jesse seemed uncomfortable when the stripper was flirting with him? I think he seemed that way when the cougar in that other ep was flirting with him too.

I thought he looked like he just didn't care -- same thing with Amanda (the cougar woman) -- & I noticed too at the end of 'Bad Seed' that he picked up the trash not even looking at the women in bikinis walking by -- all that might suggest that this 'person' (he didn't exactly confirm that it was a girl) he came back for is his top priority.

[Jag Lady]

I loved the mystery. This one also had me on edge until the end.

Looks like Dr. Logan is starting to find himself. He didn't seem quite so out of his element this time, although I'm surprised he'd wear a tie. (They tend to get caught in things. Dr. Langston, anyone?)

I can't think of a nice way to say this, but....

DID RYAN TAKE A STUPID PILL???

Between his interactions with the M.E. and what he said to Walter, he seemed like a TOTALLY different person. And I'm sure he knows protocol after dealing with Alexx after five years.

Speaking of which, nice to see Walter being a regular. I always thought Miami couldn't hang on to lab techs. Since Maxine Valera hasn't been there lately, and Michael Travers has been MIA, hey, I'll settle for Walter. It was kind of funny seeing the big guy next to Horatio.

I didn't understand why the Coast Guard chopper didn't do a straight airlift to the hospital. But then it dawned on me. Had to have the dramatic scene between bride and groom. And last but not least, had to have the dramatic "H-with-sunglasses" pose in front of the chopper lifting off.

All in all, pretty good, I thought. Is Ryan forever doomed to be the doofus?

I guess it's totally useless at this point to scream about those annoying split screens.

[GregNickRyanFan]

It wasn't glass, it was a paint chip. Tom was being a bit overreactive to that. If it had just been a random case about a dead person, then maybe it wouldn't be so bad... but they were trying to find a MISSING person who was in EXTREME DANGER! In a situation like that, every second counts, every piece of evidence needs to be processed ASAP! Tom was impeding the investigation by not letting Ryan go ahead and take the paint chip and Tom was also putting the groom's life in even more danger by not letting Ryan take the paint chip. Every second was precious. Having to wait until the M.E. gets the body back to the morgue to process a freakin' paint chip could have cost the groom his life, period. The groom's life is what mattered in this case, not the M.E.'s chain of command issues!

Tom was clearly the one in the wrong in this situation (when a person's life is hanging in the balance, that's the most important thing, not your own personal feelings about who the evidence belongs to). Jesse had the right idea (at the strip club). He didn't care about proper procedure, his priority was finding the missing groom because there was a chance that the groom was still alive. Sometimes in order to save a life, you have to break a few rules or go against what you believe... just for that one moment. Saving a life is what matters, not what evidence belongs to whom.
Technically the evidence belongs to the crime lab in general, not to any one person!

The time that Alexx said something to Ryan about taking evidence from the body, it was a piece of brain matter. That's a different story. Brain is part of the body, ie the M.E.'s jurisdiction. But a paint chip on the guy's pant leg is part of the CSI's jurisdiction (IMO). Tom could have be nicer about it. Ryan was well within his rights to ask for the paint chip. And he asked politely. Tara let Ryan take evidence off a body once at the scene (something non-biological on the clothing too I believe), so I guess Ryan didn't think that fell into the same category as brain matter.

He wasn't weird in his scenes with Walter. He was friendly. It just seems weird because we've never seen Ryan with friends before.
He and Delko really didn't get along most of the time, even if Ryan did consider Eric his friend. So, we've never seen Ryan (up till now) interacting with someone in this manner. The closest friends he's had on the team were the ladies. Horatio was more like a surrogate father type. Kyle was like the little brother (I miss the Kyle/Ryan interaction). Ryan's interaction with Walter was no different than a friendly interaction between Nick and Warrick or Nick and Greg. Its just not something we're used to where Ryan is concerned, that's why it seems weird.

[915]

It's nice to see Ryan and Walter interacting I think its long overdue that he has some friends in the lab (Walter and Jesse) I personally love the scenes with them in them about time we got some friendly interaction stuff with Ryan so good job to the writers for that stuff.

[greatfan]

Originally Posted by Jag Lady

I loved the mystery. This one also had me on edge until the end.

Looks like Dr. Logan is starting to find himself. He didn't seem quite so out of his element this time, although I'm surprised he'd wear a tie. (They tend to get caught in things. Dr. Langston, anyone?)

I can't think of a nice way to say this, but....

DID RYAN TAKE A STUPID PILL???

Between his interactions with the M.E. and what he said to Walter, he seemed like a TOTALLY different person. And I'm sure he knows protocol after dealing with Alexx after five years.

I didn't think Ryan took a stupid pill at all. At one time or other all of the CSI's have asked for evidence from Alexx.The ME clearly over reacted,was in a crappy mood,etc.Don't remember anything out of the ordinary with Walter either.There was an ease and friendlyness between these two. Their interaction even bought out really nice laughter from Ryan.For some reason,Ryan is judged harsher than other characters. Ryan was much better last night,closer to his Ryan character.
As far as Tom Logan finding himself,he needs to chill out. Alexx was able to tell the CSI's they would need to wait for evidence without being a jerk,Tom could stand to learn this.

[GregNickRyanFan]

Originally Posted by Jag Lady

what he said to Walter, he seemed like a TOTALLY different person.

Are you referring the comment about Ryan's Bubbie? That was just a way for the writers to give us what we've been asking for for eons... more info on Ryan's background. They were telling us, "yes, he's Jewish and his Bubbie is still alive". I personally liked that little touch.

And I'm sure he knows protocol after dealing with Alexx after five years.

In this case, forget protocol. A man's life was at stake, period. Protocol does NOT matter (as much) when a person's life is at stake. I would have asked for the paint chip as well and if the M.E. gave me lip about it, I would point out how his protocol issues are not important when they're looking for a missing and possibly still very alive and injured person. Locating the missing groom is what was important here, nothing else and I mean NOTHING ELSE.

I didn't think Ryan took a stupid pill at all. At one time or other all of the CSI's have asked for evidence from Alexx.The ME clearly over reacted,was in a crappy mood,etc.

I agree. Dr. Lowman did overreact, but he was probably just tired. He sounded kind of like he was tired even from the first word he spoke... there was something in his voice that just screamed "god I could use a nap/vacation".

For some reason,Ryan is judged harsher than other characters.

Yes and that is very frustrating, especially when Ryan has done NOTHING wrong!

Ryan was much better last night,closer to his Ryan character.

I completely agree!

As far as Tom Logan finding himself,he needs to chill out. Alexx was able to tell the CSI's they would need to wait for evidence without being a jerk,Tom could stand to learn this.

Again, I agree. Doc Robbins would have just said, "sure, I'll get it to you as soon as I get him back to the morgue". However, if there was a missing person's life at stake, Doc Robbins would have said, "normally I'd wait until I got the body back to the morgue, but since a missing person's life is at stake, go ahead and take it, maybe it can help locate the victim".

It's nice to see Ryan and Walter interacting I think its long overdue that he has some friends in the lab (Walter and Jesse) I personally love the scenes with them in them about time we got some friendly interaction stuff with Ryan so good job to the writers for that stuff.

Agreed! Its awesome that Ryan has friends now. I'm loving every minute of it!

[mjszud]

Poor Ryan takes a beating for everything he does. It's not that it's funny, but it sometimes amuses me that so many people tend to analyze his every move moreso than any of the other characters.

Having said that, I didn't really see Tom as a major jerk either though. I actually found the scene a little comical - Tom reminds me of one of the guys from 'Grumpy Old Men', & he has such a dry sense of humor that it makes him funny (imo). I also didn't think that Ryan cared much either way. So the old man didn't 'get' his comment about being territorial...did Ryan really care, or get his feelings hurt? I don't think he did. In fact, I got the feeling that Ryan got a little chuckle over it - he did the "whatever" look at the most, so I don't see how any of this did any harm to either character.

[GregNickRyanFan]

I got the feeling that Ryan got a little chuckle over it - he did the "whatever" look at the most.

Ryan was fighting back a chuckle. It was almost like you could see Ryan thinking, "wow, this guy reminds me of my grumpy ol' uncle". I do think it's just that Tom was in a bad mood that day. Maybe he was just tired. He actually did sound like my grumpy ol' uncle.

Like I said, I would have asked for the evidence too given the circumstances of a person's life being at stake. When Tom replied like that, I would have probably said something like, "okay, I can wait. let's just hope the missing groom can." or something like, "okay, but is there anyway you can make sure that the piece of evidence doesn't fall off in the transfer to the morgue? because it could be what helps us find the missing groom". I would have definitely made a point of mentioning that a person's life was at stake.

[MiamiWolfe]

And when were we given information that Jesse has women issues? All we know is that he partially came back for a girl and it's not the way we would assume so it's not a girlfriend or wife. To me, that doesn't at all imply that he was women issues. You can't even say that he's divorced because we don't know who the girl is. It may be a daughter but it could be a mother or sister. Or was there a spoiler somewhere that I'm not aware of?

I never got the impression Jesse has women issues either. Maybe it's a daughter, we don't know enough at this point. It will be interesting to see who this girl is.

Originally Posted by GregNickRyanFan

Did anyone else think Jesse seemed uncomfortable when the stripper was flirting with him? I think he seemed that way when the cougar in that other ep was flirting with him too.

I got that impression as well. He seemed to me uncomfortable to be there at all.

He wasn't weird in his scenes with Walter. He was friendly. It just seems weird because we've never seen Ryan with friends before.
He and Delko really didn't get along most of the time, even if Ryan did consider Eric his friend. So, we've never seen Ryan (up till now) interacting with someone in this manner. The closest friends he's had on the team were the ladies. Horatio was more like a surrogate father type. Kyle was like the little brother (I miss the Kyle/Ryan interaction). Ryan's interaction with Walter was no different than a friendly interaction between Nick and Warrick or Nick and Greg. Its just not something we're used to where Ryan is concerned, that's why it seems weird. [/QUOTE

It is nice to see Ryan interact with someone who isn't biting his head off or acting as if they are waiting for him to screw up again, and frankly I can get used to it Ryan is starting to fit in and have people he can hang out with and I find he and Walter's (and for that matter Jesse as well) interactions reflective of that.

Don't remember anything out of the ordinary with Walter either.There was an ease and friendlyness between these two. Their interaction even bought out really nice laughter from Ryan.For some reason,Ryan is judged harsher than other characters. Ryan was much better last night,closer to his Ryan character.

Poor Ryan takes a beating for everything he does. It's not that it's funny, but it sometimes amuses me that so many people tend to analyze his every move moreso than any of the other characters.

I am glad greatfan that you saw that as well that Ryan last night was closer to himself than whomever that was in the first few episodes. And Ryan will always be damned if he does and damned if he doesn't; he doesn't get cut the slack the others seem to. I don't understand why he is such a lightening rod for such harsh criticism. Someone does something and it isn't any big deal but if Ryan does it...... I don't get it.

DID RYAN TAKE A STUPID PILL???

Between his interactions with the M.E. and what he said to Walter, he seemed like a TOTALLY different person. And I'm sure he knows protocol after dealing with Alexx after five years.

I remember Ryan actually GETTING evidence from Alexx (Alexx cut hair with vomit in it to give to Ryan for analysis and this was in the field and actually part of the body), so I guess Ryan would assume that he would get to take the paint chip if he would ask for it; he got to retrieve evidence from Alexx and Tara, so he would get it from Tom as well. Ryan knows protocol and I agree with GNRF-protocol should be thrown out the window when a man's life is in danger.

Ryan didn't seem to take Tom's response too seriously; I think he was a little annoyed but wasn't going to lose any sleep over it. Ryan had more important things to do; like FINDING THE GROOM.

[slower]

I for some reason didn't think of this earlier. But, correct me if I am wrong, and quite often I am. LOL The lines "dumb and dumber" and "frick and frack" sound like Frank lines. Just a thought.

[GregNickRyanFan]

Originally Posted by slower

I for some reason didn't think of this earlier. But, correct me if I am wrong, and quite often I am. LOL The lines "dumb and dumber" and "frick and frack" sound like Frank lines. Just a thought.

Frank has actually used the "dumb and dumber" phrase before I think... unless that was Brass or Flack. Could have been either of them instead. I dunno. I would have cracked up if Jesse had called the groomsmen "Beavis and Butthead".

[AP1270]

I was very disappointed by Monday's episode. I was bored most of the time, I figured I was tired but apparently I wasn't the only one thinking that.

I don't know if you guys noticed but at the end of the episode I don't even think it was Caruso who was near the Chopper. We see him first and then he goes to the Chopper and if you notice carefully the guy in black near the Chopper (who is supposed to be Horatio) has darker hair and is wearing glasses (not like sunglasses) and we can't even see his face since we see Horatio again without his glasses. It was very strange...

[SaraBeth18]

I like how they added Walter Simmons, the new add on, to the cast list at the beginning. He is soo cool.

[CSI-AJ]

Originally Posted by AP1270

I don't know if you guys noticed but at the end of the episode I don't even think it was Caruso who was near the Chopper. We see him first and then he goes to the Chopper and if you notice carefully the guy in black near the Chopper (who is supposed to be Horatio) has darker hair and is wearing glasses (not like sunglasses) and we can't even see his face since we see Horatio again without his glasses. It was very strange...

It did look like a bad CG shot I'll give you that but another thing I noticed is how his coat fluttered and looked like a cape. I wonder if that was a wink or an "up yours" towards the critics

[solitaire]

I thought this was an ok episode. Not one of the best, but not one of the worst.
The storyline was interesting, although the end was rather over dramatic.
I think they did well with screen time, overall. There was abit too much Cal and Jesse, together,for my liking. And Jesse with the strippers handbag scene seemed abit off. I think they could have done that a different way.

[Delynn]

Originally Posted by solitaire

I thought this was an ok episode. Not one of the best, but not one of the worst.
The storyline was interesting, although the end was rather over dramatic.
I think they did well with screen time, overall. There was abit too much Cal and Jesse, together,for my liking. And Jesse with the strippers handbag scene seemed abit off. I think they could have done that a different way.

I agree. This episode wasn't exceptional, but it wasn't the worst I've seen either. I really enjoyed Ryan and Walter. Ryan laughing like that was a very special treat! I hope to see more of that from all of them in the future.

I also believe there was too much Jesse/Calleigh together. That seems to be the running theme lately and I already commented in another thread it's not a development I'm thrilled about. Calleigh has had three years out front and center while everyone else took a back seat. Time to give the others a chance - especially Natalia, who, if I'm not mistaken, Horatio actually called "Natalia" in this episode. I love it when Horatio breaks form and calls her and Ryan by their first names.

I'd really like to see Jesse working more evenly with ALL members of the team. I'd like to see him working with Horatio, actually. All in all, though, they are getting much better about making sure that everyone gets to be seen - if only for a moment. It's getting more fair, but they still have a lot of work to do.

And that purse scene was really weird as "bubbie" would say! It was a jolt to see Jesse flip that quickly from what we're used to seeing. Then again, we're still being introduced to that character, so actually it's just us seeing another facet of his personality.

That closing scene? Somebody needs to get Caruso's stand-in a better wig and the guy needs to study Caruso's movement a little more closely. He really stood out for NOT being Caruso.

Horatio in front of the helicopter - NOT! Maybe they were running out of time and couldn't work to perfect the special effects? Usually the CGI is perfection on this show, so I have a tendendacy towards giving them a pass on this part - but just this once.

[symbeline]

An OK episode. The first time I got a little bit confused with the timeline, so I rewatched it to clarify things. I knew it would be the bride or the father --isn't one of them always in these cases?-- but the episode had enough twists to keep me interested. And the ending was a bit over the top, but that's Miami, baby.

I'm really glad we were spared of the three musketeers this time. I know they have tons of fans--at least in this site-- but it's nice to see that the writers are trying different pairings so the nonfans don't get tired of them. Jesse/Calleigh and Jesse/Horatio are fine by me. Jesse/Walter/Ryan only makes me go to the kitchen to wash the dishes or grab the paper to do a crossword.

Walter gets on my nerves, they are trying to make him an adorable nerd, like Adam or Greg and it isn't working. It could work if he didn't have so many scripted funny lines. If he was that funny, he wouldn't need that in-your-face kind of humor, but I know that's just me.

Originally Posted by speed_cochrane

-The two guys at the bail bonds place were cracking me up. Score 1 for the Bon Jovi reference.

Yeah, but they lose bonus points for the Guitar Hero reference. I guess Bon Jovi is not cool enough for young people nowadays.

Originally Posted by GregNickRyanFan

What's going on lately with these episode threads? Doesn't seem the same anymore... like there's not nearly as many comments as there used to be. Last season, I'd have like two or three pages (sometimes more) of comments to read through at ten o'clock. This thread only has two pages in total overall.

I admit I'm losing interest in the show for the first time. I saw the episode, I wrote down a quick review, but I kinda forgot to post it here.

Originally Posted by BauerAlmeida

LOL I love the Dimples nickname.....hehe Jesse seems to be getting alot of nicknames lately!

That's because we still don't know how awesome, perfect and lovable he is. I wonder what would his next nickname be. I have a suggestion: "the-one-that-needs-nicknames-to-be-relevant". Ok, maybe that doesn't count as a nickname.

[greatfan]

^^Jessie/Calleigh have had a lot more pairings than anyone else. I would think people would be tired of that particular pairing before any of the others.
People enjoy seeing Ryan,Jesse and Walter because the tension(that never went away) isn't there as it was with another character.